definition of inside vs outside english

seymore15074 said:
Inside is english toward the object ball and Outside is away from it. There is nothing wrong about that. Running english and reverse english depends on the angle into the rail...oh wait, I forgot--I don't know what I'm talking about.
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I'm sure you know lots. And have no doubt you could tell
inside from outside on any shot asked about.

There are some shots where your definition fails.

Dale
 
bcf said:
What's he cooking?
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I have no idea some sort of meat. I used to love watching his show.
Now I am down to Racheal Ray, good eats, man v's wild, dirty jobs, ANYTHING UF, and UFC.
 
pdcue said:
I'm sure you know lots. And have no doubt you could tell
inside from outside on any shot asked about.

There are some shots where your definition fails.

Dale
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Let me guess, when it's straight in... Why don't you just straighten us out and make your posts relevant. You disagree, and there is nothing wrong with that. However, you are arguing without a single word explaining what you are saying. If you are not part of the solution...
 
PROG8R said:
I have no idea some sort of meat. I used to love watching his show.
Now I am down to Racheal Ray, good eats, man v's wild, dirty jobs, ANYTHING UF, and UFC.
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At least still haven't gone out of topic yet..if me not wrong English were the first to use english on a CB in early pool history..
 
I've been using the inside/outside english terms since I started playing, but I come across many players who have no idea what I'm talking about. Pretty much all the replies in this thread are correct.

Btw, I don't see what's wrong with seymore's post.

And for the record: Rachael Ray rocks.
 
i'm gonna have my say!

outside english is furthest away from where the pocket is. simple way to remember it.

and could you elborate as to why you want to apply sidespin with a phenolic tip? like has been said, you could apply english with my erect penis for all the cue ball cares, only thing is a leather tip is more efficient at it!
 
yo

worriedbeef said:
i'm gonna have my say!

outside english is furthest away from where the pocket is. simple way to remember it.

and could you elborate as to why you want to apply sidespin with a phenolic tip? like has been said, you could apply english with my erect penis for all the cue ball cares, only thing is a leather tip is more efficient at it!
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after a post like this, I think you need to change your signature ;)
 
seymore15074 said:
Let me guess, when it's straight in... Why don't you just straighten us out and make your posts relevant. You disagree, and there is nothing wrong with that. However, you are arguing without a single word explaining what you are saying. If you are not part of the solution...
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Wrong again.

BTW seeless, which one of us started out by critisizing
someones answer? I forget.
 
worriedbeef said:
[...] outside english is furthest away from where the pocket is. simple way to remember it. [...]
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Not always. For exampe, if you are banking a ball, crossing the path with the cue ball.

I'm also in agreement with Seymore, but I welcome a post
that disproves it.
 
Lol

Here is how I learned it:

1) Draw a vertical line with your mind from middle diamonds.
2) Draw a horizontal line from center of side pockets.
(It wold be a plus sign with lines crossing on 5 spot on a snooker table)

Now, inside english is the side where the 'line' is, and outside english
is the side opposite of the 'line', except for backcuts, then it is reversed.

This way, to me anyway, requires less thinking about it, but over the years has become second nature to me.
 
Cutting to the right? Outside english is left english. And so on.
 
pdcue said:
Wrong again.

BTW seeless, which one of us started out by critisizing
someones answer? I forget.
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Let me remind you. It's post #18. What I posted seems to be exactly what you posted in an earlier post. Just explain to me how you are going to disagree with my explanation, and everything will make sense.

What irritates me is that you know damn well that what I said was correct. You are posting like a retard and you are doing it on purpose. Everyone else can see it, too; so just give it a rest.
 
seymore15074 said:
Let me remind you. It's post #18. What I posted seems to be exactly what you posted in an earlier post. Just explain to me how you are going to disagree with my explanation, and everything will make sense.

What irritates me is that you know damn well that what I said was correct. You are posting like a retard and you are doing it on purpose. Everyone else can see it, too; so just give it a rest.
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Well, if we are citing post numbers now, in post 13 you belittled
Scott Lee seemingly, because you thought his explaination was
too wordy. And he is a CERTIFIED BCA instructor, which is, as
everybody worth his chalk knows, only one small step short of God.

In fact, the OP was asking for a definition, which says to my simple
mind that he needs unambiguos explaination.

The problem might just be that you think what you said is EXACTLY
the same as what I said - it isn't.

To be perfectly honest, the situation I'm thinking of is a bit obscure,
but that doesn't make it less valid. FWIW I was amazed at how many
good and knowledgeable players thought that inside english couldn't
be running english, for example.

If you were half as smart as you must think you are, you could
sus it out for yourself.
If you were half as smart as that, you'd realize I wouldn't
tell you now for all the tea in China Beach.

Maybe if you took a lesson from Scott Lee...

Dale
 
pdcue said:
To be perfectly honest, the situation I'm thinking of is a bit obscure,
but that doesn't make it less valid.
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Let me guess, a masse shot such that the CB curves to the other side of the OB?

Just admit, for all practical purposes, seymore's definition is quite sufficient...as is yours. Don't be quite so nitpicky. ;)
 
berlowmj said:
The terms have often been used, but up to now not defined. I really appreciate the clarification.

The mop handle metaphor gives me the inspiration to persevere with my phenolic tip. I will ignore its detractors.

As always, I can count on generous, detailed, & sage advice from A-Zers. Most of the progress on my learning curve is a function of your clarification, especially when my books are ambiguous or contradicting each other.
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Here's an easy way (for me) to remember the difference:

Visualize the "ghost cue ball" touching the object ball at the contact point you want to hit, like a frozen combination shot. "Inside" english is on the side of the cue ball toward the object ball ("inside" the combination); "outside" is on the side of the cue ball away from the object ball ("outside" the combination).

pj
chgo
 
wow

Wow, I'm glad you posted that masse' case, as I could not think of a case where "inside
english" wasn't towards the object ball. I didn't think about it for too long though.

So, it seems a completely correct definition of "inside english" could be:

"english on the side towards the object ball on contact"
 
jsp said:
Let me guess, a masse shot such that the CB curves to the other side of the OB?

Just admit, for all practical purposes, seymore's definition is quite sufficient...as is yours. Don't be quite so nitpicky. ;)
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I had already admitted seeless knew what inside/outside was.

if you read the entire thread, what I took exception to was his
reply to a guy that teaches. Beginers who aren't sure about details
may well need more explaination than someone who already knows the answer, Duh.

Other than all the fun of discource, there just may be some value
to this thread. Anyone who wasn't sure before, certainly should
understand the insides and outsides of english now.

As before, I wish something like these groups had benn available to me when I was a teenager.

Dale
 
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