Deflection/Squirt question

[DogsPlayingPool]

Apparently some of can't recognize marketing propaganda either!

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com

I'm guessing that includes me as well as Roger Long and Dr. Dave. At least I'm in good company.

Regardless, I'm not sure what "marketing propaganda" has to do with it. As far as the Predator quote is concerned, they could have said squirt instead of deflection. And if it's just propaganda, why are we even discussing this? Are you saying it's just a marketing ploy and it doesn't really exist? I guess I just don't understand what you are trying to say. Am I falling for some line of Predator corporate BS?

pooltchr was the one who quoted Predator, saying they were referring to the cue stick and not the ball:

When hitting right spin, the cue bends to the right. Predator really assigned the term deflection to this action with their marketing of their "low deflection" cues.

I simply went to their website to show you that even they are referring to the change in direction of the cue ball, not the flex or bend of the cue stick.

 

[Scott Lee]

DogsPlayingPool...Well, what you fail to grasp, I guess, is that many of us, especially instructors, want to try to speak the same language, particularly when teaching. I used the earlier example of addressing the term "english", to mean right or left spin...not top or bottom (unless sidespin is added to top or bottom). This helps to differentiate the kinds of spins, so that describing how to execute a particular shot or stroke, is more easily accomplished. It is the exact same thing with deflection and squirt. Personally, I think the term "deflection" is the most overused, misunderstood word out there, in the last 20 years. That said, deflection of the cuestick, can be measured and predicted (reasonably well); as can the opposing squirt of the cueball. This makes it easier to teach, and easier to understand and apply. As far as I'm concerned, that's what it's all about. If you don't agee with those goals, then I guess we'll have to agree to disagree.

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com

I'm guessing that includes me as well as Roger Long and Dr. Dave. At least I'm in good company.

Regardless, I'm not sure what "marketing propaganda" has to do with it. As far as the Predator quote is concerned, they could have said squirt instead of deflection. And if it's just propaganda, why are we even discussing this? Are you saying it's just a marketing ploy and it doesn't really exist? I guess I just don't understand what you are trying to say. Am I falling for some line of Predator corporate BS?

pooltchr was the one who quoted Predator, saying they were referring to the cue stick and not the ball:


I simply went to their website to show you that even they are referring to the change in direction of the cue ball, not the flex or bend of the cue stick.

 

[tim913]

WOW!!! I logged on to start a new thread, and to my surprise here is this one still going strong!! I usually post a question, and get one or two replies, and then it dies.. even though this one sort of took on a life of it's own 1/2 way through the 1st page, I'm still happy to see it create some debate, and I've learned a lot more about parallel english, and deflection/squirt. I did figure out I was aiming differently using inside vs outside english, and by inside I do mean right side cutting OB to right, and left side cutting OB to left. I'm still a bit confused on the terminology, but when I use inside english I line up with the cue on the inside lined up with the compensated aiming point. When I use outside english I line up with cue on center of CB, and then shift my tip to the outside. I don't know if this is normal, but must be the reason I see the squirt for inside, but not for outside.

Thanks

 

[scottyr44]

deflection is a term that is used to describe the degree to which a structural element is displaced under a load. In this case the structural element can only be the cue shaft where as there is no movement to the structure of the cue ball. I would also have to say squirt is not a very good term for the cue ball being thrown off line. I prefer Displacement (vector), in Newtonian mechanics, specifies the change in position of a point in reference to a previous position. In simple terms, its the difference between the initial position and the final position of an object. So you could say a traditional shaft would have .5 inch displacement while a predator may have .2 displacement just a example. I would have to say those two definitions sum it up pretty well. I think if we use proper terms it will only help the game gain respect where as hearing a so called professional say did you see that ball squirt makes them sound stupid to someone that doesn't know that term.

 

[JimS]

I'm no math whiz... not an engineer.... when I see the ball move off line because of being struck on one side or the other I see it squirt. I like a term that describes what happens. Seems to me that calling the term stupid and wanting to replace it with something that sounds more educated is just being snobbish. Squirt works for stupid ole me.

 

[Neil]

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