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Shafts are very mismatched with respect to the Ferrule lengths, ferrule materials, and millimeter disparity.

do you know are these two shafts original to the cue?

Thx!
 
Rtoron said:
Paul Mottey four Ebony point four veneer, natural, green, orange, black in to out. Birdseye Maple forearm. Stainless steel joint, 5/16-14 joint pin. Black
Joint collar with trim ring. Matching rings on shafts. Ebony butt sleeve with Delrin Butt Cap. Elephant print leather wrap. Butt weight 14.96 oz. Two shafts. Shaft 1 3.93 oz., 12.7 mm micarta ferrule. Shaft 2 3.40 oz., 11.43 mm fiber ferrule. Balance point with 12.7 mm shaft 19". Balance point with 11.43 mm shaft 18.5". Cue in excellent condition. Butt looks brand new. Shafts have been played but are clean. Signed by Paul Mottey. Asking $2250 pay pal fees on buyer. I will pay shipping. Cue rolls straight together and apart. Just a very nice playing cue. This is my own personal playing cue. I have joint protectors for the cue. 58" cue. 29" split.
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Also regarding the shaft collars it could just be the picture angle but can you comment on the ring work, how well they match each other and the length of the black phenolic on the collars? they don't look exactly the same but again could just be the camera angle, And finally, the pilots look very different from each other.
thanks
 
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I will try to answer questions. I posted close ups of the ferrules and shaft collars knowing I would get questions. I noticed there are small differences in the ring work on the collars. What I noticed is the red slot part of the ring seems to be slightly thinner on one ring than the other. The other thing I noticed was the machining of the brass insert area was a little different. The ferrules are definitely different, no doubt both in length and material which I had stated that one was fiber and one was micarta. The question is, are they both Mottey shafts. I really don't know that answer. Maybe they were built by two different people in the same shop. I just don't know. Maybe a second shaft was built later by Mottey or even some other guy. Maybe the brass inserts had a different thickness shoulder and they tackled the problem differently during machining. I have purchased inserts and have found different shoulder thickness on inserts. The guy I got the cue from just said the cue had two shafts and I bought it. That was all the information he gave me. Your questions are good questions but I don't think I really have the answers for sure. Cue sure does play good though. What my gut tells me is that one shaft is original and a second shaft was made later by either Mottey or maybe somebody else.
 
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Rtoron said:
I will try to answer questions. I posted close ups of the ferrules and shaft collars knowing I would get questions. I noticed there are small differences in the ring work on the collars. What I noticed is the red slot part of the ring seems to be slightly thinner on one ring than the other. The other thing I noticed was the machining of the brass insert area was a little different. The ferrules are definitely different, no doubt both in length and material which I had stated that one was fiber and one was micarta. The question is, are they both Mottey shafts. I really don't know that answer. Maybe they were built by two different people in the same shop. I just don't know. Maybe a second shaft was built later by Mottey or even some other guy. Maybe the brass inserts had a different thickness shoulder and they tackled the problem differently during machining. I have purchased inserts and have found different shoulder thickness on inserts. The guy I got the cue from just said the cue had two shafts and I bought it. That was all the information he gave me. Your questions are good questions but I don't think I really have the answers for sure. Cue sure does play good though. What my gut tells me is that one shaft is original and a second shaft was made later by either Mottey or maybe somebody else.
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You were quick to accuse me of being deceptive in the other mottey thread when I most certainly was not You said that i omitted important information. Then you post this sale thread and in your very comprehensive description of your cue somehow you forget to mention that you have at least one non original shaft amd prob not even a mottey. That I had to call you out on it in order to get you to acknowledge this *important information*

Say hypothetically before I came on and pointed out the problems with the shafts someone private messaged you and said I'll take it - were you going to slow them down and start explaining the issues with the shafts not matching or being original?

You participated In turning my sales thread into a referendum on dishonesty and deceit. Now this...

What irony..

Glwys
 
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I don't have proof that both shafts are not Mottey shafts and neither do you.
 
Ironic you say" Your own playing cue " what for 3 weeks? I had a chance to buy cue and not more then a month ago and it was Sold before I responded from a different seller, and shafts are not both original its obvious pictures dont lie
Your story all over the place..
 
Just in case you want to ? My honesty.
Open it Date is on top
 

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I bought the cue to play with it. It is my player. I have several cues I play with. Who had the cue you are talking about.
 
No problem. The seller I got the cue from is giving me an answer about the shafts tomorrow. If they are not original shafts he is going to take the cue back and give me another cue.
 
Rtoron said:
No problem. The seller I got the cue from is giving me an answer about the shafts tomorrow. If they are not original shafts he is going to take the cue back and give me another cue.
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There's a plaid elephant walking around this thread that shouldn't be ignored

How does the way you presented this cue Square with your commentary in my Paul mottey sale thread
 
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Kickin' Chicken said:
There's a plaid elephant walking around this thread that shouldn't be ignored

How does the way you presented this cue Square with your commentary in my Paul mottey sale thread
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Yep, there sure is a "plaid elephant," farting out big elephant turds in this thread.
Got a mirror handy?
C'mon, man, you never had any interest whatsoever in this Mottey.
Fess up. This was a sinister attack on Rtoron for weighing in on your thread a day earlier.
This was payback in camo.
Shame, shame, shame.
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To Ron: Good job dealing with the snipers..., you're an honest guy....a Vietnam vet, too, right?
Hooah!
 
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