Deliberate foul played?

I have never seen a "no miss" call which was closest I could get to an intentional foul. Had never heard of the sending a ball off table...except in one pocket where it seems to be a tournament no-no these days.

Thanks for the knowledge
Teammate did it in our BCA league once. Playoff finals. 17 point system. We needed one point for the overall, but the table was messed up. The balls were laying such that he was able to blast into a cluster and hop on of his balls onto the floor... totally on purpose. Won the round/match.
 
What I'm getting at is it causes a problem where your opponent can say you moved the balls. So they just don't allow it. We don't have refs standing over us every shot. Player can say you moved balls you can move balls opponent not see it. Especially if your standing between him and the balls.
Then you argue about it as long as you can and go for a re rack.
You can't worry about every nitwit you play against calling fouls that didn't happen.
You SHOULD be able to tell if a ball will fit in there without getting so close that some nit would falsely call a foul on you.

So they just don't allow it even with ball in hand? Then they have a stupid rule! All you are trying to do is get your ball placed using ball in hand. That is not "measuring".
 
People cheat all the time. Throw fits when they lose. It's like they think they are playing for the world championship.

I was playing a guy...just friendly 5$ game. Me...."hey man I gotta take a piss ill be right back." The guy shot and missed three times. While I was gone. Everyone seen him do it. I still beat him. Then I called him out after the game ....so the shithead tryd to smack me with a beer bottle. He got put on his ass and I told him not to worry about the five bucks.
 
Another messed up rule. I shoot and foul . Balls stop moving I pick the cueball up and hand it to you. Automatic loss of game. Apparently that's a forfeit.
 
Acs I believe. Not sure if it's still a rule. Everyone thinks it's bullshit. Might have been some hairbrained rule a tournament director came up with because of a couple crybabies getting into a fight the tournament before.
 
Acs I believe. Not sure if it's still a rule. Everyone thinks it's bullshit. Might have been some hairbrained rule a tournament director came up with because of a couple crybabies getting into a fight the tournament before.

I'm pretty sure picking up the cue ball when you have fouled is allowed in the ACS. I think it is good sportsmanship to remove the cue ball from the table when you have fouled. To the extent that you are the referee once it is no longer your turn, it is your responsibility to remove the cue ball from the table.

On a related point, in general you are not allowed to just pick up the cue ball without shooting to pass your inning. In the video above, that's what Michaela Tabb's comment was about when Lương Chí Dũng wanted to simply pass his shot. Of course he thought Michaela would pick up the ball. She correctly required him to shoot. (He could have shot a better shot.)
 
If I'm knocking the balls around with a novice and get left hooked, I'll often just hand over the ball rather than disturb a favorable situation. Just as often I'll do it just to keep the game moving.
 
I'm pretty sure picking up the cue ball when you have fouled is allowed in the ACS. I think it is good sportsmanship to remove the cue ball from the table when you have fouled. To the extent that you are the referee once it is no longer your turn, it is your responsibility to remove the cue ball from the table.

On a related point, in general you are not allowed to just pick up the cue ball without shooting to pass your inning. In the video above, that's what Michaela Tabb's comment was about when Lương Chí Dũng wanted to simply pass his shot. Of course he thought Michaela would pick up the ball. She correctly required him to shoot. (He could have shot a better shot.)
I think he just needed to formally end his inning at the table, short of running out a shot clock had there been one. If he were to pick it up that would end it and it is a foul. I don't see anything wrong with that. If someone else picks it up, ref included, it can turn into a problem. So just bump the cue ball with your tip and it's done. Just a formality or protocol really but a good idea.

I would have likely tried to tie up a couple other balls somewhere to slow the other player down...Maybe!
 
On a related point, in general you are not allowed to just pick up the cue ball without shooting to pass your inning. In the video above, that's what Michaela Tabb's comment was about when Lương Chí Dũng wanted to simply pass his shot. Of course he thought Michaela would pick up the ball. She correctly required him to shoot. (He could have shot a better shot.)
so if I pick the ball up and hand it to you without shooting my shot. It's "not allowed"... Is that a forfeit?
 
so if I pick the ball up and hand it to you without shooting my shot. It's "not allowed"... Is that a forfeit?
Intentionally touching any ball in play (other than by a shot) is unsportsmanlike conduct. The possible penalties go from nothing to ejection from the tournament and forfeiture of all prizes and ranking points. It depends on the official and the situation.
 
I think he just needed to formally end his inning at the table, short of running out a shot clock had there been one. If he were to pick it up that would end it and it is a foul. I don't see anything wrong with that. If someone else picks it up, ref included, it can turn into a problem. So just bump the cue ball with your tip and it's done. Just a formality or protocol really but a good idea.

I would have likely tried to tie up a couple other balls somewhere to slow the other player down...Maybe!
I think that conflicts with the unsportsmanship stuff. PIA.
 
Intentionally touching any ball in play (other than by a shot) is unsportsmanlike conduct. The possible penalties go from nothing to ejection from the tournament and forfeiture of all prizes and ranking points. It depends on the official and the situation.
It's strange tho. If u touch the cueball with your stick(say u fanned it on a practice stroke) it's just a foul . then if u pick the ball up and hand it too me to signify ball in hand. That's a forfeit? That's basically the rule that was being implemented.
 
It's strange tho. If u touch the cueball with your stick(say u fanned it on a practice stroke) it's just a foul . then if u pick the ball up and hand it too me to signify ball in hand. That's a forfeit? That's basically the rule that was being implemented.
Yeah, I don't think that's a real rule.
 
On a related point, in general you are not allowed to just pick up the cue ball without shooting to pass your inning. In the video above, that's what Michaela Tabb's comment was about when Lương Chí Dũng wanted to simply pass his shot. Of course he thought Michaela would pick up the ball. She correctly required him to shoot. (He could have shot a better shot.)
In APA we do this all the time. I don't recall it being expressed as a sportsmanship penalty or any other issue. I've read the rules several times, and of course could have missed it, but have never seen nor heard of it being prohibited in our league system. (It is supposed to be marked as a Defensive Shot tho) I would think that I would have heard from our League Operator if this wasn't to be allowed. Of course, I could be wrong, too, I often am, being married ;) .
 
It's strange tho. If u touch the cueball with your stick(say u fanned it on a practice stroke) it's just a foul . then if u pick the ball up and hand it too me to signify ball in hand. That's a forfeit? That's basically the rule that was being implemented.
I have seen many situations where the TD (or producer) did not want to get into any kind of discussion when certain kinds of fouls happen. They take the easy way out and say, for example, if you grab the cue ball while it is scratching, or even put your hand in the pocket, you lose the rack. I think the CSI rules have an escalating series of penalties for the unsportsmanlike conduct situations.
 
Yeah, I don't think that's a real rule.
It's a real rule if when at the beginning of a tournament all 20 captains go to the TD and he expresses that it's a rule. What constitutes a real rule? Laws and rules in England are laws and rules. Laws in Brazil are laws. Ect ect. They apply to you when your there

That being said. I don't agree with it. A person calling a foul on himself and then handing you the Cueball. Is anything but unsportsmanlike
 
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