I asked Mike Gulyassy what the cue is worth and he said over 15,000
Dennis Hatch's Mosconi Cup Cues for Raffle!!!
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I asked Mike Gulyassy what the cue is worth and he said over 15,000
$10k can get alot of seriously awesome, truly collectable cues. You can get pretty much the most fancy inlaid franklin era SW you could find, you could get some pretty awesome Gina-cues, atm in todays market you are even in the range of some Gus Szamboti cues and Balabushkas and rest assured those are far more collectable then this cue will ever be, less personalized and thus more easily re-sold.
You shot with this cue very little, it is extremely personal in style with your name all over it and Hatchets that mean nothing to anyone but yourself. It is clearly not a shooter, people would buy it as a collectable because of it's very personalized nature, but how collectable is it really? It it going to go up in value from the already extremely high price of $10k beyond following natural inflation? I highly doubt it.
Ask yourself honestly, if you were not Dennis Hatch what would you do with this cue if you got it? Dennis Hatch himself does not want to shoot with this cue with Hatchets all over it, his name on it, and his victory in a tournament advertised on it. It is very personal, and the guy it is aimed at does not want it and would rather have $10k, expecting someone else to want the cue to that much money is a little odd when they have far less of a connection to the cue to begin with.
Not posting this to knock your action but since we are going to have this thread for months before you "maybe" sell 200 tickets for this raffle and hear explanations such as the above about why everyone should want this cue, I gotta tell you alot of people are wondering why you think a person who is not Dennis Hatch would want a cue so very clearly made solely for you at that kind of price and what the heck they would ever do with it?
Why would "you" want it if you were not Dennis Hatch? What the heck would you do with it? Anyone else is going to look odd shooting with it.
If I won this cue for the price of a $50 ticket I would probably expect to struggle to sell it for $5,000, probably more in the range of $3,000-$4,000 that someone would count out in hundred dollar bills and hand over that stack for the thing. And you have to work to find that guy who would even pay that.
The reason is not how fancy the cue is, how much work went into it, or how expensive the materials in the cue are, but that the fact that the cue is so clearly built for one single person and it suits noone else other then yourself. And it seems that even you don't really like it enough to keep it.
There are several points I would like to respectfully address in this post:
$10k can obviously get you a lot of cue. I am not comparing or contrasting this Gulyassy with any other cue in that ballpark pricerange. A simple question was asked on how much it would cost to remake this cue, and a number was given. A collector value was not tagged, and it is obviously worth whatever a buyer is willing to pay for it. This sounds like blatant bashing of this cue IMHO.
To state that this is only a collectable is absurd. His 2009 Mosconi Cup cue made by Mike Gulyassy is played DAILY by a local who shoots out of my poolhall. It very well could be a collectable as well. It is up to the buyer to decide what he or she wants to do with it. Again, thanks for your predictions on inflation, but it is not necessary for this thread.
Why Dennis Hatch wants to sell this cue is personal and up to him to decide if he wants to tell the public. Dennis NEVER said he didn't want to play with this cue. He loves this cue! This is simply a business decision for him, why is that so hard to understand? There is no need to question his motives.
This post is certainly intended to "knock" our action. However, I will respectfully try and respond to all your points, whether they are valid or not. I'm telling you personally, and probably many people agree with me on this, I would LOVE to have this cue, regardless of who it was made for. I see that even with 1/200 odds, $50 for a chance to win a great cue is worth the risk to me. And it is worth it to a handful of others who already purchased spots. If I won it, I would make a special case and hang it up in my pool room. Not so crazy, is it?
If you are simply buying tickets to play the odds in order to resell it, then this probably isn't the greatest investment chance for you. And if you struggled to sell this cue for $3k, then you are a poor salesperson. I know personally what his previous two Gulyassy's sold for, and they were well above $3k. But that is neither here nor there.
That is what makes it a collectable???? Correct? I don't see what your points are here I guess. And to say he doesn't like it enough to keep it is an ignorant statement. This is a business decision. It's actually quite simple to understand.
I just want to state that I do not want to seem defensive or aggressive in my statements, I am simply trying to pick apart what you said and putting in my perspective on how I see things.
Respectfully,
Jr.
$10k can obviously get you a lot of cue. I am not comparing or contrasting this Gulyassy with any other cue in that ballpark pricerange. A simple question was asked on how much it would cost to remake this cue, and a number was given. A collector value was not tagged, and it is obviously worth whatever a buyer is willing to pay for it. This sounds like blatant bashing of this cue IMHO.
To state that this is only a collectable is absurd. His 2009 Mosconi Cup cue made by Mike Gulyassy is played DAILY by a local who shoots out of my poolhall. It very well could be a collectable as well. It is up to the buyer to decide what he or she wants to do with it. Again, thanks for your predictions on inflation, but it is not necessary for this thread.
Why Dennis Hatch wants to sell this cue is personal and up to him to decide if he wants to tell the public. Dennis NEVER said he didn't want to play with this cue. He loves this cue! This is simply a business decision for him, why is that so hard to understand? There is no need to question his motives.
This post is certainly intended to "knock" our action. However, I will respectfully try and respond to all your points, whether they are valid or not. I'm telling you personally, and probably many people agree with me on this, I would LOVE to have this cue, regardless of who it was made for. I see that even with 1/200 odds, $50 for a chance to win a great cue is worth the risk to me. And it is worth it to a handful of others who already purchased spots. If I won it, I would make a special case and hang it up in my pool room. Not so crazy, is it?
If you are simply buying tickets to play the odds in order to resell it, then this probably isn't the greatest investment chance for you. And if you struggled to sell this cue for $3k, then you are a poor salesperson. I know personally what his previous two Gulyassy's sold for, and they were well above $3k. But that is neither here nor there.
That is what makes it a collectable???? Correct? I don't see what your points are here I guess. And to say he doesn't like it enough to keep it is an ignorant statement. This is a business decision. It's actually quite simple to understand.
I just want to state that I do not want to seem defensive or aggressive in my statements, I am simply trying to pick apart what you said and putting in my perspective on how I see things.
Respectfully,
Jr.
You love knocking me!! Don't buy a ticket!! If someone won this cue for $50 and got 3,000 or 4,000 for it I'm sure they wouldn't be upset.
Cue is sick and you can knock me and the cue all you want. :wink:
Kinda proves my point that it is hard pressed to be a shooter for many people.
I said I would struggle to sell it for $5,000, not $3,000.
And that is completely fair, your post was a well written rebuttle with facts and opinions stated in clear and respectful fashion.
This particular thread is posted in the main forum, not the sales forum or the raffles forum. There are rules against knocking action in the sales forum and that would extend to the raffles section. But this is the main forum, an area for discussion, and that discussion can cover various opinions and when you post something like this in the main forum instead of keeping it in the sales or raffle section in order to increase views and teicket sales you also open it up to opinions and discussion on the item being sold or raffled, for better or for worse.
As I stated my intent was not to knock the sale, but at the same time given this is the main forum where you posted this it is possible for a person to give their honest opinion on the raffle and the item being raffled.
Good luck on the sale, as likely as anything you will sell afew tickets due to my part as the devils advocate and people wanting to prove me wrong.
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master9baller
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Cue raffle
The reason this cue has value beyond it's construction is because it is Dennis Hatch's personalized cue, used in the Mosconi cup. To look at it as a player cue that only he can use is short sighted.
So what happens when Dennis's notariety rises to the level of a top 5 player in the US, he wins a few important national events or becomes a world champion? Meanwhile Gulyassy continues to become o become a more recognized and noted cue maker.
The $50 bill spent on the raffle would be a pittance at that point. Imagine having a cue like this that had Archer's or Reyes's name all over it.
Or yes you will always have one hell of a player cue.
The reason this cue has value beyond it's construction is because it is Dennis Hatch's personalized cue, used in the Mosconi cup. To look at it as a player cue that only he can use is short sighted.
So what happens when Dennis's notariety rises to the level of a top 5 player in the US, he wins a few important national events or becomes a world champion? Meanwhile Gulyassy continues to become o become a more recognized and noted cue maker.
The $50 bill spent on the raffle would be a pittance at that point. Imagine having a cue like this that had Archer's or Reyes's name all over it.
Or yes you will always have one hell of a player cue.
If Hatch wins afew US Opens, a couple world championships, smokes every pinoy in the world for cash and becomes the most feared player in the world over the next ten years the person winning this cue will have hit the proverbial jackpot.
No doubt, that would make this cue ALOT more valuable as a collectable.
As I said, I was not trying to knock the action, Dennis came onto the thread and basically acted shocked that the raffle tickets were not flying out the door and stated that pool players should want this cue, I suggested possible reasons the raffle is not selling as fast as he might have expected.
Celtic, I have hesitated to comment on your thoughts. I hope you are offering them in the spirit of being helpful to Dennis.
Speaking from afar, some of your comments seem a little harsh and unkind to Dennis Hatch. I know you are from Canada, and maybe that might be a reason that you don't see him in the same way as Americans do. I'm not sure.
Remember, though, Canada and U.S. are united at the hip and supposed to be represented by the BCA. :grin-angelic:
There are a lot of unsung heroes in pool who haven't won any major championships. Cornbread Red and Minnesota Fats are a couple names that come to mind.
Just as an aside, Keith McCready sold a Schon cue, I think it was, in the early 2000s era on eBay that went for $3,500. The man who bought it said he was going to encase it and put it in his pool room. The cue was not worth that on paper.
Dennis Hatch has been playing pool since he was a kid, when his father took him around the country to compete. He grew up alongside other young guns like Johnny Archer, Michael Coltrain, and Charlie Williams.
He is probably the *pool sweetheart* of Upstate New York. There's a strong pool contingency up in that neck of the woods.
I appreciate you sharing your thoughts, Celtic, but I just wanted to insert a couple of mine to this thread.
Celtic, I have hesitated to comment on your thoughts. I hope you are offering them in the spirit of being helpful to Dennis.
Speaking from afar, some of your comments seem a little harsh and unkind to Dennis Hatch. I know you are from Canada, and maybe that might be a reason that you don't see him in the same way as Americans do. I'm not sure.
It is probably just me. I am opinionated and not particularily shy about expressing my opinions on either forums or in person. I am very dry and blunt, often to a fault, and this may very well be one of those times.
I truly did not mean the comments as an attack or a knock, I don't dislike Dennis, I actually enjoyed watching him at the Mosconi Cup in both years, one as the hero, the next year struggleing but managing to draw on experience and heart and still scrape out some wins and keep the USA in the match into the last day. I read the thread and stayed out of it for a long time, the countless bumps I kept my trap shut while the tickets did not sell very fast, the response to Cleary Dennis tried to give his opinion on why he thought the raffle tickets should be a clear easy choice to buy, I gave him the possible alternate viewpoint and the way I view the cue and why I think the raffle is a tougher sale then he expected it would be. The discussion on the cue itself and it's value and why it should be sought after was already started before I made a post, if that conversation had not started I would not have initiated it.
For better or for worse I usually speak my mind when the mood strikes me to do so, sometimes it is positive, sometimes it is negative, at all times it is the truth of how I see things.
I just bought a few tickets... good luck my friend!
- Josh H.
- Josh H.
master9baller
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I just gave away a beautiful $1800-2000 value cue, that for $1000 and had to go to Ebay to do it. As far a money and it's value is concerned nowadays it's very individualized.
For many $50 on a raffle of this sort makes sense. If it doesn't then don't buy tickets. I would suggest not bashing what they are trying to accomplish.
With that I will buy 2 tickets now and plan on buying a few more towards the end.
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I am ranked #5 in the world on BCA points list and #2 ranked American
Thanks JH!
Thank You! :thumbup:
Are you kidding me ??
Man,,,whats with all the ''haters'' out there,,,,,??
Dennis made pool history in taking the ''MVP'' as a rookie in the ''Mosconi Cup''...even ''Billiards Digest'' gave him a shout out on that one,,,
Trust me,,,,this cue is a monster player as all of Mike Gulyassy's cues are,,,he's so damn underated ,,,
As for myself, no, this would't go into a glass case, I would be thrilled to shoot with it and show it off,,,
By the way, great chatting with ''Jr'' from ''Bison Billiards'' on Friday,,,,
If someone doesn't want to purchase a ticket, then simply pray that I win it!!
Regards to all,,,,,,,,,Alan.......
Man,,,whats with all the ''haters'' out there,,,,,??
Dennis made pool history in taking the ''MVP'' as a rookie in the ''Mosconi Cup''...even ''Billiards Digest'' gave him a shout out on that one,,,
Trust me,,,,this cue is a monster player as all of Mike Gulyassy's cues are,,,he's so damn underated ,,,
As for myself, no, this would't go into a glass case, I would be thrilled to shoot with it and show it off,,,
By the way, great chatting with ''Jr'' from ''Bison Billiards'' on Friday,,,,
If someone doesn't want to purchase a ticket, then simply pray that I win it!!
Regards to all,,,,,,,,,Alan.......
master9baller
Banned
Well there you have it
Well there you have it. Bump this up and let's make this raffle happen for a very deserving player.
Well there you have it. Bump this up and let's make this raffle happen for a very deserving player.
Thank You Sir!
master9baller
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Albany Joss stop
How did you do in Albany? I haven't seen a writeup on the site yet.
Bump it up, let's sell some tickets.
How did you do in Albany? I haven't seen a writeup on the site yet.
Bump it up, let's sell some tickets.
master9baller
Banned
Hatch cue
Apparently Dennis didn't make the Albany Joss Tour stop. Explainig why he didn't win
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Let's keep this raffle moving forward, we need some more buyers and then it will pick up towards the end.
Apparently Dennis didn't make the Albany Joss Tour stop. Explainig why he didn't win
.Let's keep this raffle moving forward, we need some more buyers and then it will pick up towards the end.