Dennis is the US Open 1p Champion~

[CreeDo]

I didn't catch how corey handled the intentional scratch.

Nothing unfair about the foul, it's just how fouls work in 1 pocket.
You don't change the rules because it's late game instead of mid game.

Dennis' scratch already rewards corey twice - the loss of a ball for dennis,
and corey gets a free shot at the power draw trick shot.

Why do you think players should get triple-rewarded with an automatic win for hanging their game ball?
If they want they win they're gonna have to make the ball, hanging it is not good enough.
Just like any pool game.

 

[Pfnatic]

IMO most of those kind of 1 hole players are afraid to shoot themselves. They don't think enough of their game to take even the 90% shots. I wouldn't waste 4 hours of my time playing people that can't get themselves to pull the trigger on less their OB is inches from the pocket and natural position to the next shot or a safe. Johnnyt

The match was brutal to watch, mainly because Corey's strategy was to keep playing defense, defense and more defense and torture Dennis and the spectators.The only relief was watching Dennis run out.

How is this game not broken? 2 hours for a single game with most of the game being just aimlessly defending going from one rail to the other. At one one point there was a wedge at the upper corner pocket and they just tapped balls softly for 15 minutes.

Wouldn't this game be better if there were rules in place to
1) prevent that long uptable game
2) have a shot clock and a game clock

Wouldn't that force players to be a bit more aggressive and actually come up with some creative shots rather than torture your opponent waiting for him to lose patience and play a bad shot.

 

[vincentwu817]

The match was brutal to watch, mainly because Corey's strategy was to keep playing defense, defense and more defense and torture Dennis and the spectators.The only relief was watching Dennis run out.

How is this game not broken? 2 hours for a single game with most of the game being just aimlessly defending going from one rail to the other. At one one point there was a wedge at the upper corner pocket and they just tapped balls softly for 15 minutes.

Wouldn't this game be better if there were rules in place to
1) prevent that long uptable game
2) have a shot clock and a game clock

Wouldn't that force players to be a bit more aggressive and actually come up with some creative shots rather than torture your opponent waiting for him to lose patience and play a bad shot.

They will tell you... one pocket is a gambling game for long sets, its part of the moves to torture people and that tournament 1p means nothing

 

[Pfnatic]

The match was brutal to watch, mainly because Corey's strategy was to keep playing defense, defense and more defense and torture Dennis and the spectators.The only relief was watching Dennis run out.

How is this game not broken? 2 hours for a single game with most of the game being just aimlessly defending going from one rail to the other. At one one point there was a wedge at the upper corner pocket and they just tapped balls softly for 15 minutes.

Wouldn't this game be better if there were rules in place to
1) prevent that long uptable game
2) have a shot clock and a game clock

Wouldn't that force players to be a bit more aggressive and actually come up with some creative shots rather than torture your opponent waiting for him to lose patience and play a bad shot.

And also something in place to prevent those intentional fouls. That's a cop-out. Just have a 3 foul rule.

 

[Pfnatic]

They will tell you... one pocket is a gambling game for long sets, its part of the moves to torture people and that tournament 1p means nothing

Yeah, its more for gambling for the people who don't want someone to take all their money by simply running out. Also, it is good for people who cannot run out or don't have sharp pocketing skills. But man, it is boring to watch 2 hours of tip-tapping. I am still agitated just thinking about it..

 

[berko]

The match was brutal to watch, mainly because Corey's strategy was to keep playing defense, defense and more defense and torture Dennis and the spectators.The only relief was watching Dennis run out.

How is this game not broken? 2 hours for a single game with most of the game being just aimlessly defending going from one rail to the other. At one one point there was a wedge at the upper corner pocket and they just tapped balls softly for 15 minutes.

Wouldn't this game be better if there were rules in place to
1) prevent that long uptable game
2) have a shot clock and a game clock

Wouldn't that force players to be a bit more aggressive and actually come up with some creative shots rather than torture your opponent waiting for him to lose patience and play a bad shot.

The game sucks to watch if you are expecting 9ball.

 

[Fatboy]

The match was brutal to watch, mainly because Corey's strategy was to keep playing defense, defense and more defense and torture Dennis and the spectators.The only relief was watching Dennis run out.

How is this game not broken? 2 hours for a single game with most of the game being just aimlessly defending going from one rail to the other. At one one point there was a wedge at the upper corner pocket and they just tapped balls softly for 15 minutes.

Wouldn't this game be better if there were rules in place to
1) prevent that long uptable game
2) have a shot clock and a game clock

Wouldn't that force players to be a bit more aggressive and actually come up with some creative shots rather than torture your opponent waiting for him to lose patience and play a bad shot.

it was horrible to watch, but i watched it until the end, Denis over looked so many shot's. Corey was tired and got reckless a coiuple times and his last shot was just that, he should have kicked n behind the 3 balls again like he did the 2 previoius shots and he would have been fine.

the diagram in th OP is accurate, except i dont thing the path of the CB on the 6 to the top 2 balls(the out balls) is accurate I dont think he went to the foot rail with it, it(the 6) didnt go in clean either. It bobbled in, still an amazing run out from there, the 6 was the shot IMO. not the out ball. the table mechanics did good cause the last ball could have rolled off, that shot dont have to go on all tables. Denis has so much fire power, he would be scary if he knew the one pocket moves of (insert a top one pocket player). to win it with that many mistakes shows that fire power over moving at it highest level is enough. HaHa i wouldnt try it tho....

 

[vincentwu817]

it was horrible to watch, but i watched it until the end, Denis over looked so many shot's. Corey was tired and got reckless a coiuple times and his last shot was just that, he should have kicked n behind the 3 balls again like he did the 2 previoius shots and he would have been fine.

the diagram in th OP is accurate, except i dont thing the path of the CB on the 6 to the top 2 balls(the out balls) is accurate I dont think he went to the foot rail with it, it didnt go in clean either. It bobbled in, still an amazing run out from there, the table mechanics did good cause the last ball could have rolled off, that shot dont have to go on all tables. Denis has so much fire power, he would be scary if he knew the one pocket moves of (insert a top one pocket player). to win it with that many mistakes shows that fire power over moving at it highest level is enough. HaHa i wouldnt try it tho....

I think superior firepower is enough because one mistake you make could mean the other play running out the game, whereas a seasoned 1P player who knows all the moves have difficulties pocketing some of the tougher shots. The moves may work for people who do not have the pocketing consistency close to the top rotation players. Imagine if the top Asian 9/10 players picked up one pocket for a year. Do you think these "one pocket experts" will still be around?

 

[Fatboy]

I think superior firepower is enough because one mistake you make could mean the other play running out the game, whereas a seasoned 1P player who knows all the moves have difficulties pocketing some of the tougher shots. The moves may work for people who do not have the pocketing consistency close to the top rotation players. Imagine if the top Asian 9/10 players picked up one pocket for a year. Do you think these "one pocket experts" will still be around?

not many people have the fire power to over come moving, i have beat guys playng 1P who have A+ fire power and no basic knowledge of one pocket. I got zero shot against a champion, but i'm tnot the best 1P player, most of the time the movers will win playing 1P, It takes someone as strong as Denis to beat a top mover.

 

[vincentwu817]

not many people have the fire power to over come moving, i have beat guys playng 1P who have A+ fire power and no basic knowledge of one pocket. I got zero shot against a champion, but i'm tnot the best 1P player, most of the time the movers will win playing 1P, It takes someone as strong as Denis to beat a top mover.

What about the other top ranked rotation pool players in the world? A lot of them can pocket and control the cue just as good as Dennis. I'm only tlaking about the top say 30 players in the world.

 

[Pfnatic]

The game sucks to watch if you are expecting 9ball.

I was expecting comments like this. No I am not expecting a 9 ball game. Buy the ppv replay when it comes out, watch the 6 hours of that match and then read my comment.

 

[Fatboy]

I think superior firepower is enough because one mistake you make could mean the other play running out the game, whereas a seasoned 1P player who knows all the moves have difficulties pocketing some of the tougher shots. The moves may work for people who do not have the pocketing consistency close to the top rotation players. Imagine if the top Asian 9/10 players picked up one pocket for a year. Do you think these "one pocket experts" will still be around?

yes, guys like Artie knows more than anyone can learn in a year, also good one pocket players are born not made to a extent. Takes years to learn one pocket, If denis had the knowlege of Corey nobody in the world could beat that, but that dont exist-rigght now anyways. 2 different worlds.

 

[vincentwu817]

yes, guys like Artie knows more than anyone can learn in a year, also good one pocket players are born not made to a extent. Takes years to learn one pocket, If denis had the knowlege of Corey nobody in the world could beat that, but that dont exist-rigght now anyways. 2 different worlds.

Fair enough. I haven't watchced enough of the top one pocket players to make a good speculation on this. It is just from the short amoutn of 1p Ive watched (maybe 100 hrs or so), it seems to be that the "1p specialists" have difficulties running out 8 balls, and fail to pocket balls that are balls that should be pocketed 75% of the time in 9 ball. Thanks for your input.

 

[scratchs]

Congrates to Dennis...and that was a very nice slice down table. Imo Dennis is a better player then Corey..I like Corey..an enjoy watching him play.

 

[Fatboy]

What about the other top ranked rotation pool players in the world? A lot of them can pocket and control the cue just as good as Dennis. I'm only tlaking about the top say 30 players in the world.

top 15 maybe, hard to put a number on iut, but it takes that kind of fire power to overcome moving, coery isnt the best mover either(not a knock) but a guy like chris gentile from Chicago will have Denis tied up for so long he might forget how to pot a ball. Its kind of hard to really say, Cory has fire power and can move-but he dont move the best of have the most fire power he has a high level of both, not the highest. And your right some good movers cant run 8 when they should be able to, sometimes they do and sometimes they dont,

Its 2 different styles of play and 2 different games, so like in boxing styles make fights so it goes in 1P. I play some guys and its like last night averages 45/min a game other guys its 10 minutes a game. just depends on who i'm playing and how i play them, or get played(when i'm the weaker player)

 

[BeiberLvr]

I think the moving game is still just as important today, but maybe in a different way. Top players these days have to move well because the threat of the 8 and out is so huge.

 

[3RAILKICK]

No, or little love

I watched most of it.

Corey did seem more defensive minded than I have seen him.

I remember 4-5 great shots from reading the rack. Multiple ball caroms, rubs, combinations and such. Great shots that yielded one ball. Got stuck or stymied on all of them. Only served to spread the rack and cause uptable or more safety play.

Didn't the Biado-Duel match take 4-5 hours too? Maybe Corey was used up?

Good match. Sharpshooting prevailed.

TAR-thanks.

and thanks to Cotton, Frost, John Henderson and Jay for the commentary for the games that I watched.(all but last one)

 

[vincentwu817]

top 15 maybe, hard to put a number on iut, but it takes that kind of fire power to overcome moving, coery isnt the best mover either(not a knock) but a guy like chris gentile from Chicago will have Denis tied up for so long he might forget how to pot a ball. Its kind of hard to really say, Cory has fire power and can move-but he dont move the best of have the most fire power he has a high level of both, not the highest. And your right some good movers cant run 8 when they should be able to, sometimes they do and sometimes they dont,

Its 2 different styles of play and 2 different games, so like in boxing styles make fights so it goes in 1P. I play some guys and its like last night averages 45/min a game other guys its 10 minutes a game. just depends on who i'm playing and how i play them, or get played(when i'm the weaker player)

That's a good comparison. You could also compare snooker to rotation pool, with snooker player's potting accuracy vs pool player's table knowledge - however, there is more different between 9 ball and 1p than 9 ball and snooker. Like I said I haven't watched too much of the top 1p guys play to make a good speculation. It would be interesting though, to see other top pros in the world try the game out. Hell, even Appleton is beating people in tournaments.

 

[CreeDo]

Some 1p tournaments use a modified rule where if multiple balls get into the kitchen, and one gets made,
two balls spot up... the sunk ball and the lowest numbered ball in the kitchen.
Another rule had something where ALL the kitchen balls spot up in a long line.

I dunno what the solution is, but when a game takes that long, it's gonna be dull
for spectators and players both... even for a thousand bucks,
some players just don't seem willing to play a ten hour match.
They might not unscrew their stick, but they don't put any thought or heart
or creativity into their shots either.

Maybe the solution is guys who know all the moves instead of just doing basic ducking
when they're in unfamiliar territory. They passed up some free 2- and 3-railers,
which would have brought some welcome progress.
One of the strongest moves that these 'firepower' types seem to lack
is the idea of the free shot. You don't have to run 8'n'out if you can safely
take a flyer at multiple free banks.

 

[Cornerman]

What about the other top ranked rotation pool players in the world? A lot of them can pocket and control the cue just as good as Dennis. I'm only tlaking about the top say 30 players in the world.

There are no top 30 players in rotation that have a chance at winning a major like this without putting in serious one pocket time in the trenches. Dennis balances his moves with shotmaking and he's still learning the game. If he's anywhere near the mental artist that Efren is, then he might get close to his speed. Last night, I know he was tired but he was very beatable.

These are very odd posts. Eric has it right. Course he's seen enough of it.

Freddie