Dennis is the US Open 1p Champion~

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For those who couldn't stay up.
They had a game last 1 hour and 50 minutes, I believe that brought the score to 3-3.

Then dennis' next break was very strong, a ball was maybe 5
inches from the hole and whitey was on the other side of the rack.
Corey's options to get the cue ball close to dennis' hole were limited,
he thinned off a ball and overhit it just a bit.. enough for dennis to get
that near-hanging ball. There looked to be only 5 open balls,
but Dennis played some great positional shots and I believe got
an 8'n'out in about 7 minutes.

Then the next game turned into another slow wedge.
I think dennis blew a great chance to run at least 4 or 5 and got a very cold roll.
Corey came back with his own funny roll, but played smart and protected
one of his hangers for quite a while. He'd squirrel away a ball here and there,
capitalizing on small mistakes with great long banks that either went in or hung.

He was up I believe 6 to -1, or 7-0... and playing VERY conservatively,
bunting balls up table, passing up chances to crossbank spotted balls,
just constantly leaving dennis frozen to the foot rail. Dennis stole a ball or two.

Somehow Corey finally sold out, and dennis showed how superior
firepower can sometimes nullify hours of defense.
I'm too tired to recall perfectly, but the final balls looked something like this.
Dennis needed them all.

He shot off A and B with ease, but somehow way overran shape on the 6 by a mile.
He did a funky low outside shot, using a common spin in an uncommon way,
to reverse off the 2nd rail a bit. The cue ball dropped beatifully into line for the 3.

He was too straight to slide sideways for the four. So he just draws straight back
and cuts the 4 alllll the way down for the match.

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CreeDo said:
For those who couldn't stay up.
They had a game last 1 hour and 50 minutes, I believe that brought the score to 3-3.

Then dennis' next break was very strong, a ball was maybe 5
inches from the hole and whitey was on the other side of the rack.
Corey's options to get the cue ball close to dennis' hole were limited,
he thinned off a ball and overhit it just a bit.. enough for dennis to get
that near-hanging ball. There looked to be only 5 open balls,
but Dennis played some great positional shots and I believe got
an 8'n'out in about 7 minutes.

Then the next game turned into another slow wedge.
I think dennis blew a great chance to run at least 4 or 5 and got a very cold roll.
Corey came back with his own funny roll, but played smart and protected
one of his hangers for quite a while. He'd squirrel away a ball here and there,
capitalizing on small mistakes with great long banks that either went in or hung.

He was up I believe 6 to -1, or 7-0... and playing VERY conservatively,
bunting balls up table, passing up chances to crossbank spotted balls,
just constantly leaving dennis frozen to the foot rail. Dennis stole a ball or two.

Somehow Corey finally sold out, and dennis showed how superior
firepower can sometimes nullify hours of defense.
I'm too tired to recall perfectly, but the final balls looked something like this.
Dennis needed them all.

He shot off A and B with ease, but somehow way overran shape on the 6 by a mile.
He did a funky low outside shot, using a common spin in an uncommon way,
to reverse off the 2nd rail a bit. The cue ball dropped beatifully into line for the 3.

He was too straight to slide sideways for the four. So he just draws straight back
and cuts the 4 alllll the way down for the match.

ZuhRuci.jpg
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Congrats to Dennis. That was brutal to watch but shows a lot about Dennis' game. He doesn't seem to know too many 1P shots, but his pocketing and cue ball control compensated for the lack of knowledge and made him a champion. Impressive.
 
Congrats Dennis. This is why I laugh at the older 1 pocket players saying, "Oh you got to be able to move,". "It takes years of playing. He will out move him." I don't think Dennis and Biado have bee playing a year yet and they're shooting the movers livers out. Johnnyt
 
Congrats to DO!

I'm starting to think that playing rotation pool helps your 1 pocket game more than the other way around.

Johnnyt said:
Congrats Dennis. This is why I laugh at the older 1 pocket players saying, "Oh you got to be able to move,". "It takes years of playing. He will out move him." I don't think Dennis and Biado have bee playing a year yet and they're shooting the movers livers out. Johnnyt
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Johnnyt said:
Congrats Dennis. This is why I laugh at the older 1 pocket players saying, "Oh you got to be able to move,". "It takes years of playing. He will out move him." I don't think Dennis and Biado have bee playing a year yet and they're shooting the movers livers out. Johnnyt
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True, but when ya lock horns with a True one holer for hours and hours and the bet keeps increasing. Moves hold up thru time, shot making and PinPoint positioning Wear out in Time. :thumbup:
 
Island Drive said:
True, but when ya lock horns with a True one holer for hours and hours and the bet keeps increasing. Moves hold up thru time, shot making and PinPoint positioning Wear out in Time. :thumbup:
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IMO most of those kind of 1 hole players are afraid to shoot themselves. They don't think enough of their game to take even the 90% shots. I wouldn't waste 4 hours of my time playing people that can't get themselves to pull the trigger on less their OB is inches from the pocket and natural position to the next shot or a safe. Johnnyt
 
I wonder about the rise of all these new 1p winners. 1p has traditionally been a game that took years of exposure to become a top level player, now is seems like a lot of the top rotation players are whuppin the seasoned American's butts

I guess it is just like Mike Davis told me in 05: best move is 8-> out.
 
Black-Balled said:
I wonder about the rise of all these new 1p winners. 1p has traditionally been a game that took years of exposure to become a top level player, now is seems like a lot of the top rotation players are whuppin the seasoned American's butts

I guess it is just like Mike Davis told me in 05: best move is 8-> out.
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Smart man that Mike Davis. Also he is very underrated. Johnnyt
 
Johnnyt said:
Smart man that Mike Davis. Also he is very underrated. Johnnyt
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Mike Davis (and Jeff Carter) are two players that have great work ethics and determination and that's a hard combination to beat unless your a top player on a good day and you still don't have to win.
 
surprised Dennis did not pull up when it got even calming game he did not like his chances LOL
 
How many years errrr hours was the match?

I didn't watch it. I did watch the SVB Efren epic TAR 1P match a couple months ago though. How did this match compare?

"Objection! He's leading the witness!"

Anyway, congrats to DO!
 
vincentwu817 said:
Congrats to Dennis. That was brutal to watch but shows a lot about Dennis' game. He doesn't seem to know too many 1P shots, but his pocketing and cue ball control compensated for the lack of knowledge and made him a champion. Impressive.
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For the champions out there, if this sketch is accurate, why not play the more natural short-rail then long rail 2-railer to get to basically the same place?

For those who think 1P experience matters less, I'll say that (1) we don't know how much 1P these recent winner have played (e.g., SVB did have a learning curve) and (2) I think it's a lot easier to get knowledge now than it used to be. Internet, Banking with the Bear, Accustats and TAR commentary, etc. So it probably takes less time to learn 98% of the moves and the other 2% don't come up that often when you're really good at 8-and-out.

I have to assume that in a 6.5 hour race to 5, there were tons of moves being played.
 
Cory in DC said:
For the champions out there, if this sketch is accurate, why not play the more natural short-rail then long rail 2-railer to get to basically the same place?

For those who think 1P experience matters less, I'll say that (1) we don't know how much 1P these recent winner have played (e.g., SVB did have a learning curve) and (2) I think it's a lot easier to get knowledge now than it used to be. Internet, Banking with the Bear, Accustats and TAR commentary, etc. So it probably takes less time to learn 98% of the moves and the other 2% don't come up that often when you're really good at 8-and-out.

I have to assume that in a 6.5 hour race to 5, there were tons of moves being played.
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Well said. The commentators were basicaly just saying "dennis doesn know this shot" and other stuff along the likes of it. I found it funny because the man who rarely plays 1p won a majOr 1p tourney. But then of course 1p lovers would say it doesnt mean much bcause 1p is a gambling game lol.
 
I thought the same thing about his cue ball path...
my sketch may be off but basically I think if he hits hard enough to get the cue ball
all the way back up to the top of the table, his tangent line sends him straight into the scratch.

He maybe could only beat the scratch it he hit softly (like just travelling to mid table).
Or he maybe could only beat it with a slight overcut + inside, but not with the fatter high+outside hit.

Dennis is above all really careful in his shape, I've seen him 'settle' countless times
on shots where he makes sure the cue ball cannot get hooked or scratch.

Re: knowledge vs. firepower, it's easy to think firepower is king when you have world-class guys who run 8'n'out
from anywhere, even when only a few balls appear open... especially if they don't miss under pressure.

Dennis might be a favorite to make that game ball but nobody's 100% on that shot.
If he hits the nipple on the way down or he sells out a cross-corner
or he's not playing with the most perfect equipment possible so that the ball rolls true for 7 feet...
Dennis probably loses that game.

With normal human beings on imperfect equipment, moving probably is much stronger.
 
Corey made two crucial errors that cost him the match. He should have won game 2- he came up short on a ball that he really should not have at his ability level. In game 8 he certainly should have won too- he nearly banked in his last ball and then totally sold out the game afterward.

One rule I don't like in 1 pocket is the intentional scratch prolonging the game. When Corey hung his last ball, Dennis correctly pocketed the ball in Corey's pocket and followed the cue ball in behind it (with two balls spotted thereafter). Corey was on 7 at that time. I think the rule should be end of game if you scratch in such a scenario as Dennis did- the scratch is rewarded which seems ridiculous. What is the reason for such a rule?
 
CreeDo said:
I thought the same thing about his cue ball path...
my sketch may be off but basically I think if he hits hard enough to get the cue ball
all the way back up to the top of the table, his tangent line sends him straight into the scratch.

He maybe could only beat the scratch it he hit softly (like just travelling to mid table).
Or he maybe could only beat it with a slight overcut + inside, but not with the fatter high+outside hit.

Dennis is above all really careful in his shape, I've seen him 'settle' countless times
on shots where he makes sure the cue ball cannot get hooked or scratch.

Re: knowledge vs. firepower, it's easy to think firepower is king when you have world-class guys who run 8'n'out
from anywhere, even when only a few balls appear open... especially if they don't miss under pressure.

Dennis might be a favorite to make that game ball but nobody's 100% on that shot.
If he hits the nipple on the way down or he sells out a cross-corner
or he's not playing with the most perfect equipment possible so that the ball rolls true for 7 feet...
Dennis probably loses that game.

With normal human beings on imperfect equipment, moving probably is much stronger.
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I agree that moves matter much more for mortals. I'm pretty confident in 1P against, say, a better 9-ball player who doesn't play much 1P, and it's not because of my superior shot-making.

As for the intentional scratch, after Dennis followed Corey's ball in, did Corey try to make his ball with the power-draw shot? (Ball on the spot goes toward the hole, second ball goes 2 rails toward the hole, CB comes back near head rail.)

The intentional scratch is clearly a weapon that gives the more knowledgeable player an edge and that generally expands the strategy set. So I'd hate to see it go away.
 
Cory in DC said:
I agree that moves matter much more for mortals. I'm pretty confident in 1P against, say, a better 9-ball player who doesn't play much 1P, and it's not because of my superior shot-making.

As for the intentional scratch, after Dennis followed Corey's ball in, did Corey try to make his ball with the power-draw shot? (Ball on the spot goes toward the hole, second ball goes 2 rails toward the hole, CB comes back near head rail.)

The intentional scratch is clearly a weapon that gives the more knowledgeable player an edge and that generally expands the strategy set. So I'd hate to see it go away.
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It just seems odd in a way to reward a player for scratching- meaning if Dennis had just made Corey's ball he loses- but for scratching he lives to fight another day? Seems counter-intuitive. I know the rule has been around forever, I just don't like it. However, I'm new to watching 1 pocket matches
 
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