Dennis must've showed more heart and respect on last day. I watched second day and he was acting like a league player yelling when Shane made a mistake and playing speed pool at times showing the game no respect.
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..it's a classic example of "grace despite overwhelming odds!'.............Composure at it's best!...
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I guess I missed him yelling at Shane's mistakes. I watched day two twice. How do you show "the game" respect by the speed at which you play? I guess Lou Butera's 150 and out in 21 minutes was the height of disrespect.
I guess I missed him yelling at Shane's mistakes. I watched day two twice. How do you show "the game" respect by the speed at which you play? I guess Lou Butera's 150 and out in 21 minutes was the height of disrespect.
You should watch a third time then cause there was one instance in particular where Shane missed a ball and dennis yelled and threw his stick in the air like celebrating.
The speed thing I was talking about is when someone is in the give up mode and just one strokes everything. Nothin wrong with quick play but you can tell someone's demeanor at the table and he just gave vibe like it was only a matter of time before he made ANOTHER mistake and he didn't care.
Upset Hardly I just am not so quick to draw a conclusion on who is better it was not the kind of beat down I walk away saying O has no shot in a rematch
No I did not bet but I might next time they meet since I will be getting 10 or better on the wire. I never said the TAR table was a circus and. neither was the converted table Earl and Shane played on , that table did not seam to effect Earls shot making ability
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Name me someone in the last five years who has played more elite players for cash than Dennis or Shane ?
Since the answer is "No one". I don't understand your reasoning that because they have not played every swinging dick on the planet one of them should not be considered the best.
Is Anderson Silva not the best MMA fighter in the world because he hasnt fought everyone in Mongolia or Saskatoon yet ?
I get the fascination some have here for the Taiwanese and Chinese players but you know what? The US and the Philippines have been here for a helluva long time and are easy to find. We might just get a chance to find out. Shane issued a $20,000 challenge to Ko Pin Yi last night through Andy who knows his manager. Hopefully we can work out a way to get him over here. I am pretty sure that number could go to $30K real easily. Shane may not be the best but show me anyone else doing that shit.
Tap...Tap...until somebody gets up there and takes him off in this form he is the best
Your telling us he isnt the best money player because he hasn't played all your asian buddys your so fond of. Yet what right do you have to say he isn't when they haven't proved they can win for his cash. Gamblers say an ahead set proves the better player well a race to a hundred is more games than most head sets.
No I don't consider someone the "best" money player when there is another half a planet full of big money players who x-player hasn't played yet.
It's not just about Taiwan or China either. To be honest if any of them show up in the TAR studio I am betting on Shane, all in thank you very much, follow Justin's #1 rule.
As for who has played more money matches? Wu, Yang, Yi, all these guys go head hunting when they go to the Philippines and they don't have a line forming to play against them. Wu was relegated to the go-go bar playing for tiddlywinks because he couldn't get a nickel's worth of action at One-Side one night - so I heard when I asked why he was playing in the go-go bar instead of matching up - could be typical pool room BS.
Also, Shane is a beast but he has lost to Johnny Archer on TAR, lost to Earl Strickland on TAR and in NYC on the ten footer. Lost to Busty on TAR, I mean it's not like he has flat drilled every opponent, he took some losses.
My friend Ilona used to get asked if she was better than the other female players on tour and she would always say until she could beat them every time she would never say she is better. I don't think it's taking anything away from Shane to say he is one of the best money players in the world and not to say he IS the best money player in the world. That he is ONE of the best is indisputable, top five for sure, but to say the best is disputable, as we are disputing it right now.
And for Shane to challenge Ko for 20k is SUPER STRONG, just what us railbirds want to hear and see. I'd be really comfortable saying that Shane has the biggest HEART of all the money players right now.
Tell Andy to write out that challenge in Chinese and I will have it posted on the Taiwanese and Chinese forums or else ship it my way in Shane's words and I will have it translated and posted.
I am guessing no one else is barred for that amount either?
Oh get it off it and stop trying to be personal. I love Shane and his game and am not in NO WAY saying he can't win. I just don't like it when it's one sided saying he IS the best money player when in fact there are other big name money players he hasn't played yet.
That's all no need to get all upset like I just kicked your puppy. We are just talking pool. FTR if Shane plays ANYONE from Asia then I am betting ON Shane unless it's Alex because I have a winning record betting on Alex and I like his heart more than I like Shane's.
Anderson is not the best MMA fighter. I watch MMA as much as I watch pool, and even have had some of the bigger names train in a gym here, so you get to know them and talk to them. That is in addition to going to the various MMA forums and carrying on conversations there like we all do here.
Silva loves to back up and back up and back up. I would think you would say that Hendo isn't a good fighter. He mentioned that even though he lost, he got tired of chasing Silva around the ring. He wanted to fight, silva wanted to trot around the ring.
Is Anderson Silva not the best MMA fighter in the world because he hasn't fought everyone in Mongolia or Saskatoon yet ?
Silva loves to back up and back up and back up. I would think you would say that Hendo isn't a good fighter. He mentioned that even though he lost, he got tired of chasing Silva around the ring. He wanted to fight, silva wanted to trot around the ring.
Is Anderson Silva not the best MMA fighter in the world because he hasn't fought everyone in Mongolia or Saskatoon yet ?
I guess I will because one time in 50 games where he MIGHT have done something unsportsmanlike isn't exactly a condemnation.
As for playing quick both of them played quick all the time. They are champions and they don't have to think a lot about it. Dennis is often getting down on the shot before the cue ball stops. That's how he plays.
Agreed
Just think of how people would be talking about Dennis had this match gone his way to the extent it went SVB's..people would be chirping "told you he was the best"...race to 100 shows who is the best player AT THIS TIME, as there is plenty of time/games to come back and show heart which Dennis did no doubt on the last day..but he faced a monster in Shane and nobody in the world could have beaten SVB this past weekend period...if that doesn't mean he's the best right now..I don't know what does. That was basically perfect 10 Ball by SVB.
And on top of that if you listened to the commentary, SVB wanted to bet higher then the 5K they had on the side and Dennis declined. Shane knew he could outplay anybody at this point in time in a long 10 ball race..Shuff said during the match.."I sure dont want a piece of him"
Not claiming Shane is better overall than Dennis is, but in the race to 100, Shane is the KING, and what makes you think that if they played again, in the same format for a lot more $$$$, that the final outcome wouldn't be even more spread than it was...in Shane's favor? Shane got a taste of Dennis's blood, he's not scared of him, and now for 100% sure knows he can beat him in this format, so the confidants level is in Shane's favor if they were to play again, and Shane is no dummy, he would expect even more firepower from Dennis if they played again, so as impossible it may seem, Shane would still turn it up a notch from what we just seen, because on day 3 going into the finals of this match up, I don't really believe Shane was playing nearly as focused as he was in the first 2 days....because he new he had the win, he just needed to finish it out to show everyone else who doubted it
Glen
Just think of how people would be talking about Dennis had this match gone his way to the extent it went SVB's..people would be chirping "told you he was the best"...race to 100 shows who is the best player AT THIS TIME, as there is plenty of time/games to come back and show heart which Dennis did no doubt on the last day..but he faced a monster in Shane and nobody in the world could have beaten SVB this past weekend period...if that doesn't mean he's the best right now..I don't know what does. That was basically perfect 10 Ball by SVB.
And on top of that if you listened to the commentary, SVB wanted to bet higher then the 5K they had on the side and Dennis declined. Shane knew he could outplay anybody at this point in time in a long 10 ball race..Shuff said during the match.."I sure dont want a piece of him"
Im sure if Shane shows up in China sporting 20k he can get a game
I think he has it a little off on who should do the traveling
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I think he has it a little off on who should do the traveling
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I wouldn't be so sure. Oscar couldn't make a game with a known pro on the pro's table for 500 dollars. the pro wanted a little weight and would not budge. a guy like Bobby c would have a line a mile long to play him but shanes line would be much much shorter.
The Hendo thing makes no sense. Period. Its about the dumbest statement I have ever heard actually. "The other guy didnt do what I wanted him to so I got tired of trying and lost"
Its like a pool player saying "Well I wanted to play pool but he kept playing safe so all I could do was kick at balls all the time."
No one has to travel anywhere.
The Taiwanese are coming here anyway in July. They will be in the same city. If they want to stick around they can play for a lot of money. Its not that complex a situation.
Over here in the TAR studio, I like Shane's game right now. In Taiwan he would probably be in trouble playing under their conditions. So let's call it a draw. That's one reason why it's so tough for the American/foreign players to do well in China. The conditions favor the Chinese and Taiwanese players and not the rest of the top players. Filipinos are the exception. They adapt better than anyone else to different table conditions. They would play on the floor if the money was right! 
All that said, I'd love to see Ko Pin Yi lock it up with Shane in Vegas. Among the ten or fifteen top Taiwan players he is the Alpha dog right now. His break might be just as good as Shane's as well. I still like Shane on the TAR table. He really caught his high gear against Dennis.
All that said, I'd love to see Ko Pin Yi lock it up with Shane in Vegas. Among the ten or fifteen top Taiwan players he is the Alpha dog right now. His break might be just as good as Shane's as well. I still like Shane on the TAR table. He really caught his high gear against Dennis.
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