Dennis Orcullo banned from USA for five years

So i take it you don't believe in national borders or immig/travel regulations? Laws of any kind? Try not paying the IRS and use that 'i'm not harming anyone by not paying' defense. I'm sure they'll go for it.

Projections based on fear.

If you want to really know, come to npr and we can discuss some of that there. This is about Dennis' plight.

I've made my case here.


Jeff Livingston
 
He sounds like one those 'soverigns' that don't believe that laws apply to them. BTW, i found data from 2019 on overstays. About 650,000 overstayed their visa that year. They made up around 1.2% of all visa users. So it looks like around 99% are able to follow the guidelines. Can't be too hard then.

Who has been talking about lawful vs legal and why that distinction is vital to justice?

Me, not anyone else here.



Jeff Livingston
 
As my slavery example demonstrated, lawful and legal don't always match. In fact, that thinking is what doesn't work for civilized societies.

When they don't match up, what happened? A crime was committed, that's what....but by who? Not the slaves.

I'm talking what the law should be, that is, what is the proper use of violence to be used in a civilized society. I don't think barring an innocent man from his ability to exercise his natural liberty is civilized in any manner, shape, or form.

Of course, Dennis would be better off if he jumped through the hoops (that do nothing to keep us civilized) and he's stupid, if you will, for not doing that. But he's not a criminal and he's not guilty of harming anyone, so he should not be held back in his career or life.


Jeff Livingston

on a philosophical level you make some good points, but history has shown the need for laws that infringe on personal freedoms. someone can drive drunk on that same road rexus mentioned and do no harm as well, yet most people agree that it would be good if the police stopped him before the road turns into a populated area.
 
I hear you. That's what I was told by someone close to the situation and could explain why Dennis dogged it. Maybe he figured if he overstayed again and got caught, he could just pay a fine again.
You were told wrong and are now repeating it here. I've seen the papers from the Dept. of Homeland Security and that is NOT why he has been banned! Dennis was tracked for the last four years by HS and he spent over 75% of this time in this country (this is where he makes his living), and they will flag you if you stay here over 65% of the time. He would get a six month visa and then go home and return two to three months later. How many of you know this is a violation? I sure didn't. In the view of HS they now believe that Dennis was living here and not in the Philippines, which is totally untrue. He owns no property here and does not even have a bank account. He does own a home in the Philippines and has a family there. He has never tried to bring any of his family here as well.

He used regular tourist visas (six month limit) and was never warned about using them. What he needs is either a P-1 visa for participating in athletic events or even better a O-1 visa which is for Exceptional people in their country, that could be for exceptional athletes or entertainers. The latter is the better visa with fewer restrictions. With that visa he can stay as long as he likes, up to five years. We now believe that he can obtain such a visa (lot of paperwork and beauracracy to go through with accompanying costs), but the real problem is that Dennis will then have to go to the U.S. Embassy in Manila to get a waiver on his five year ban. He needs to prove to them that he is an exceptional athlete. This is the path we are on to bring him back here.
 
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on a philosophical level you make some good points, but history has shown the need for laws that infringe on personal freedoms. someone can drive drunk on that same road rexus mentioned and do no harm as well, yet most people agree that it would be good if the police stopped him before the road turns into a populated area.

Thank you for that.

I all for law. 100% lawful activities.



Jeff Livingston
 
You were told wrong and are now repeating it here. Good for you!
Guess they got it wrong too. I'd reveal my source but I have some tact and ethics. You on the other hand...

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Guess they got it wrong too. I'd reveal my source but I have some tact and ethics. You on the other hand...

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Technically he did "overstay" his visas, by using them to spend too much time in the U.S. I was told wrong at first and so were others. But we did set this straight in post #304 from two days ago. I referenced it again in my post #323. I guess some people missed that one as well.
 
Technically he did "overstay" his visas, by using them to spend too much time in the U.S. I was told wrong at first and so were others. But we did set this straight in post #304 from two days ago. I guess some people missed that one.
Must have missed it. Post deleted.
 
Technically he did "overstay" his visas, by using them to spend too much time in the U.S. I was told wrong at first and so were others. But we did set this straight in post #304. I guess some people missed that one.


Well Jay maybe you mughy start a go fund me, so the man fans can help with pricy legal expenses.
 
Well Jay maybe you mughy start a go fund me, so the man fans can help with pricy legal expenses.
We have organized on FB - "Free Dennis!! He is America's pool." You can find more info there. We are not actively soliciting money from anyone. The core group of four or five have agreed to share the costs of Dennis' legal fees. If anyone wants to contribute they can.
 
Hopefully this serves as a case study to all foreign professional players: A: Don't abuse the terms of your visa; B: It may be wise to pursue an athlete visa.
 
Hopefully this serves as a case study to all foreign professional players: A: Don't abuse the terms of your visa; B: It may be wise to pursue an athlete visa.
The P-1 athlete visa is good for 5yrs with a 5yr extension. Looks like a lot less hassle than a plain tourist visa.
 
Comparing slavery to a guy snoozing his visa dates??? Please.

I think the point was:
laws don't always make sense. Sometimes people, who made the laws just made mistakes, because they were just people. Its the right and duty of people in a democratic society to spot such unfair laws and try to change the legislation.

A law is not correct, right or fair, just because it's happens to be a law.

Fines for making a mistake can be fair or overly harsh. And knowing the situation of Denis lots of people think, the fine is too harsh.
 
and history has many examples that it is bad for a society, if people argue in way:
this was the law so he deserves what is coming to him.
 
We have organized on FB - "Free Dennis!! He is America's pool." You can find more info there. We are not actively soliciting money from anyone. The core group of four or five have agreed to share the costs of Dennis' legal fees. If anyone wants to contribute they can.


Well I do not even look at Facebook but at least Dennis has friends willing to step up, and try & help.

Hope he appreciates those folks as legal help is not cheap.
 
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