Technically yes. That’s correct. I was generalizing and am not smart enough to know exactly who they are letting in currently.
Dennis Orcullo banned from USA for five years
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The last 5yrs or so has seen the lowest # of refugees in the US in a long time. Of course covid had a part but even before the numbers were way down. https://www.statista.com/statistics/200061/number-of-refugees-arriving-in-the-us/
"He used regular tourist visas " - you can "work" regularly here in the US while being on a tourist visa only?
The most common tourist visa is a B1/B2 and it is not meant for work/employment. They're not going to follow someone around to pool tournaments so its not really enforced. This visa is really meant just for tourism, visiting family.
True, it obviously isn't enforced, but is yet another violation (easily confirmable that he worked) that an embassy officer in Manila is certainly to question when asked to waive the "overstay" violation to grant a Pro visa.
Good luck RoboDawg.
phreaticus
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B-1 & B-2 visas are actually quite different. B-2 is the standard tourist visa that most visitors get to sightsee visit family etc. B-1 is a business visa that allows you to conduct business activities; conferences, meetings, etc. B-1’s are alightly more hassle to apply for, usually require a letter from hosting company/org, etc. Neither allow you to “work” here. I think Dennis and most pro athletes are technically supposed to get B-1’s but as you say enforcement is pretty tough and many folks aren’t aware of these nuances and either inadvertently or intentionally violate the technical rules. The very first question everyone arriving into the USA is asked on the I-94 arrival/depart form and USCIS officers is “purpose of visit?”, if its anything other than tourist or visit family, better have something other than a B-2 stamp in your passport… As we all now know, these issues can get very tricky, my guess is there are quite a few pro pool players now reading up in this stuff very carefully.
These links lay it all out pretty clearly, for anyone interested.
Visitor Visa
Generally, a citizen of a foreign country who wishes to enter the United States must first obtain a visa, either a nonimmigrant visa for a temporary stay, or an immigrant visa for permanent residence. Visitor visas are nonimmigrant visas for persons who want to enter the United States...
US Athlete Visa: B1, B2, H1B, H2B, O1 And P1 Visa
Find out the various visa types for foreign athletes to come and perform in the US.
www.visapro.com
I better get out of here, I might be being pretentious again
. I really am just trying to contribute accurate info…
And some of us over estimated yours. You seem to be on a crusade here to condemn Dennis for whatever reason. I have no idea why. Yes, he made a mistake, but to keep saying he overstayed his visa is blatantly incorrect. I have already posted on here twice why he was detained and returned to the Philippines. I won't try to explain that to you again because it appears you have already decided that he is some kind of bad guy, when he is just trying to support his family the best way he can. We all know how hard it is to make a living playing pool and you get all over a guy who is doing just that by working hard at his profession. And to be so antagonisitic to anyone who disagrees with you, including the use of profanity. Pretty bad look for you here!
Pretentious or not you are knowledgeable.B-1 & B-2 visas are actually quite different. B-2 is the standard tourist visa that most visitors get to sightsee visit family etc. B-1 is a business visa that allows you to conduct business activities; conferences, meetings, etc. B-1’s are alightly more hassle to apply for, usually require a letter from hosting company/org, etc. Neither allow you to “work” here. I think Dennis and most pro athletes are technically supposed to get B-1’s but as you say enforcement is pretty tough and many folks aren’t aware of these nuances and either inadvertently or intentionally violate the technical rules. The very first question everyone arriving into the USA is asked on the I-94 arrival/depart form and USCIS officers is “purpose of visit?”, if its anything other than tourist or visit family, better have something other than a B-2 stamp in your passport… As we all now know, these issues can get very tricky, my guess is there are quite a few pro pool players now reading up in this stuff very carefully.
These links lay it all out pretty clearly, for anyone interested.
Visitor Visa
Generally, a citizen of a foreign country who wishes to enter the United States must first obtain a visa, either a nonimmigrant visa for a temporary stay, or an immigrant visa for permanent residence. Visitor visas are nonimmigrant visas for persons who want to enter the United States...travel.state.gov
US Athlete Visa: B1, B2, H1B, H2B, O1 And P1 Visa
Find out the various visa types for foreign athletes to come and perform in the US.
I better get out of here, I might be being pretentious again
Thanks for the Updates Jay.
Nope. Both B1/B2 are tourist visas. Neither have allowances for working for $$. Cannot work or be employed. You need H-category visa to work.B-1 & B-2 visas are actually quite different. B-2 is the standard tourist visa that most visitors get to sightsee visit family etc. B-1 is a business visa that allows you to conduct business activities; conferences, meetings, etc. B-1’s are alightly more hassle to apply for, usually require a letter from hosting company/org, etc. Neither allow you to “work” here. I think Dennis and most pro athletes are technically supposed to get B-1’s but as you say enforcement is pretty tough and many folks aren’t aware of these nuances and either inadvertently or intentionally violate the technical rules. The very first question everyone arriving into the USA is asked on the I-94 arrival/depart form and USCIS officers is “purpose of visit?”, if its anything other than tourist or visit family, better have something other than a B-2 stamp in your passport… As we all now know, these issues can get very tricky, my guess is there are quite a few pro pool players now reading up in this stuff very carefully.
These links lay it all out pretty clearly, for anyone interested.
Visitor Visa
Generally, a citizen of a foreign country who wishes to enter the United States must first obtain a visa, either a nonimmigrant visa for a temporary stay, or an immigrant visa for permanent residence. Visitor visas are nonimmigrant visas for persons who want to enter the United States...
US Athlete Visa: B1, B2, H1B, H2B, O1 And P1 Visa
Find out the various visa types for foreign athletes to come and perform in the US.
I better get out of here, I might be being pretentious again
If you win money from them you might be surprised when you commit suicide.
Quit making sense, you might trigger someone.
Well if anyone who is not an immigration lawyer can make sense of the rule, & regulation for Visa’s.
Well let’s say they are not simple as 1,2,3.
www.boundless.com
Word at end say explained, but not simple to understand.
Well let’s say they are not simple as 1,2,3.
B-1/B-2 Visitor Visa, Explained
The B-1 visa covers business trips, while the B-2 visa covers tourism, such as vacation or visiting family. Learn more in this guide by Boundless Immigration.
www.boundless.com
Word at end say explained, but not simple to understand.
Most of these comments just tell me most of the disgruntle folks at some point loss some cheese to Dennis
On a side note, hope he gets some kind of help to get this taken care of. If not, China, Canada and Japan are going to most likely see a lot more of Dennis for the next 5 years..
On a side note, hope he gets some kind of help to get this taken care of. If not, China, Canada and Japan are going to most likely see a lot more of Dennis for the next 5 years..
Most likely Europe.Most of these comments just tell me most of the disgruntle folks at some point loss some cheese to Dennis
On a side note, hope he gets some kind of help to get this taken care of. If not, China, Canada and Japan are going to most likely see a lot more of Dennis for the next 5 years..
phreaticus
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Ok man, you seem to be combative & firm in your own concepts no matter what info is provided. They are not both tourist visas - “tourist” is a broad loose term, and the concept of “work” can be a gray area; I didn’t say they let you “work” here, the point is that there is a distinct difference between B2 tourist & B1 business visas, although they have similar restrictions. B1 is a bit more hassle/time/cost to get and is why many don’t properly pursue them, business travelers also run afoul of these issues all the time, which is why many/most large companies have HR/travel teams or outsource even routine travel coordination to pro travel agents. There are other nuanced but important differences related to accompanying family members, etc. The links/definitions I provided are from US state dept and a well known large visa services company…maybe you would like to go debate your opinions with them? BTW, pretty much every country has similar definition & concepts.
Its really not worth discussing further here, anyone actually traveling or dealing with these issues will figure it out if they simply read the application forms, or get a small amount of help from any decent travel agent. Sounds like Dennis is in good hands now, and this event will probably influence many others in similar situations. I don’t get all the aggression & vitriol here, particularly towards such a well known ambassador of our sport who obviously comes from a much different background that many of us have. I guess weather & covid chaos has us all cooped up a bit too much.
Peace & love man, jeez
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He can make more $$ gambling at home than going to Europe. No big paying tourns. or much action there. With all the omicron lunacy going on i wouldn't go to Europe for any reason.