Dennis vs. SVB Full Story- Truth From the Inside

BmoreMoney said:
Why do you feel that way? Just because of the action?
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Because the action is the only money that shows up, and it brings with it sleaze and corruption. I'd love to see it get cleaned up and get legitimate, with legitimate sponsors, real prize money (prize money, not betting between players), getting families more involved again, etc etc. Basically just turn it into a real sport again.

This is a billiards forum, packed with people that love the game, but so many people feel that if there isn't a huge bet between the players the game isn't even worth watching. If that's the case, it's doomed.
 
john coloccia said:
Because the action is the only money that shows up, and it brings with it sleaze and corruption. I'd love to see it get cleaned up and get legitimate, with legitimate sponsors, real prize money (prize money, not betting between players), getting families more involved again, etc etc. Basically just turn it into a real sport again.

This is a billiards forum, packed with people that love the game, but so many people feel that if there isn't a huge bet between the players the game isn't even worth watching. If that's the case, it's doomed.
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Ok, while I Def don't feel the same way that you do in regards to this I can respect your position. With that being said, do you consider the multi-billion dollar corporation known as the NFL " a legitimate " orginization? I ask because as far as gambling the NFL gives pool the free 1 on out in that regards.

PS - if you feel that way why can't it just be like others have mention; pool meaning different things to different people? eg ; folks that like the action can watch it or participate in for the action and folks that are in it for the " purity " of sport do the same - just play or watch for the sport ? I don't believe either viewpoint is forced to participate in any way that they do not want right? As far as the " corruption " or one POS GUY pulling underhanded moves I agree with you 100%, but you can run into that in just about every walk, field , place, just about anything at all but that needs to be dealt with on a case by case scenario without using a broad brush to include an entire population no?
 
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As for money match ppv's... I think pool is better off having a legit competition side such as mosconi cup, challenge of champions, tournaments if they are edited properly, and a more edgy side such as money matches.

Turning pool into something like snooker is in Europe will not succeed in the U.S. imo.




P.S. Fats was accepted by the general public without any problems.
 
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BmoreMoney said:
Ok, while I Def don't feel the same way that you do in regards to this I can respect your position. With that being said, do you consider the multi-billion dollar corporation known as the NFL " a legitimate " orginization? I ask because as far as gambling the NFL gives pool the free 1 on out in that regards.
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I don't think there's anything wrong with gambling, per say. If someone wants to bet on a sport, go for it. The difference is that the NFL runs on legitimate funding...ticket sales and sponsors/ads. Think about what football would be if it didn't have any of that, and before each game a couple of coaches got together, with their owners (backers), and came up with some back room deal...Patriots vs Jets!! $5,000,000 matchup! Watch on PPV!! It would quickly turn into a sleazy mess of bad deals and corruption.

Pool, on the other hand, runs on betting. It's like boxing, I guess. If that disappears, the entire pro aspect of the game disappears save for a couple of tournaments here and there with crap prize funds, and they'll rapidly disappear when all the pros give it up so they can eat. It's one thing bet for fun as a friendly wager, or even to make a few extra bucks. It's quite another to depend on it to put food on the table.

The only way sports stay legitimate is that the athlete is either under contract or you have a 3rd party prize fund and the athlete gets paid based solely on performance. But that's just me and I love the game for the game.
 
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john coloccia said:
I don't think there's anything wrong with gambling, per say. If someone wants to bet on a sport, go for it. The difference is that the NFL runs on legitimate funding...ticket sales and sponsors/ads. Think about what football would be if it didn't have any of that, and before each game a couple of coaches got together, with their owners (backers), and came up with some back room deal...Patriots vs Jets!! $5,000,000 matchup! Watch on PPV!! It would quickly turn into a sleazy mess of bad deals and corruption.

Pool, on the other hand, runs on betting. It's like boxing, I guess. If that disappears, the entire pro aspect of the game disappears save for a couple of tournaments here and there with crap prize funds, and they'll rapidly disappear when all the pros give it up so they can eat. It's one thing to do it. It's quite another to depend on it.

The only way sports stay legitimate is that the athlete is either under contract or you have a 3rd party prize fund and the athlete gets paid based solely on performance. But that's just me and I love the game for the game.
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Well it goes without saying " pool ain't no NFL! LOL ). Thing is though gambling and action has been a huge part of pool since the first ball was hit. Have you ever thought that maybe pool has been as big as it is / or has been mainly because of its affiliation with the action? Maybe pool can not survive in any resemblance as we know it without the action? I've heard many people say this many times and I think I kinda agree with it; pool means something different to each person that plays it. For some it's a good outlet for action, others love the competition , some enjoy the social aspects of it, for some it is stress relieving , but for whatever it is; never try to make it something that it isnt!
 
I don't think Dennis has any worries........French will make noise ......but will never take it to court........simple reason.......the IRS........Prison time and the name French :)
 
Celtic said:
Or, run around the room taking a bunch of side bets on the match and then tell your new "player" you just signed to let off the gas at the end of the match and go and collect your winnings...

Then to top it all off don't give any of those winnings to the player who "won" the match that you were "supposedly" backing, but who found out after the fact there was not "official" money in the middle and instead it was all just action on the rail that your backer won... that somehow the player is not entitled to any of that?..?...
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Chicken Dinner Time ....... WINNING
 
BmoreMoney said:
Well it goes without saying " pool ain't no NFL! LOL ). Thing is though gambling and action has been a huge part of pool since the first ball was hit. Have you ever thought that maybe pool has been as big as it is / or has been mainly because of its affiliation with the action? Maybe pool can not survive in any resemblance as we know it without the action? I've heard many people say this many times and I think I kinda agree with it; pool means something different to each person that plays it. For some it's a good outlet for action, others love the competition , some enjoy the social aspects of it, for some it is stress relieving , but for whatever it is; never try to make it something that it isnt!
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I don't disagree with you. It's not like I haven't been known to play for a little money here and there. My gripe is that at the pro level, it should be pro in some sense of the word. It's like golf. Everyone bets on golf. It's practically part of the game, but there's also a serious pro aspect to it with real sponsors. The reason they're able to attract that is that they're able to get millions of people involved that see it as clean fun and entertainment....and they play and buy equipment, and there are zillions of dollars floating around.

Pool is cheaper and more accessible. You can hang out with friends, drink, sometimes eat, take your girlfriend/wife/kids, it's not physically demanding (at least not at the novice level). It seems to have everything going for it except no crowds...not anymore, anyhow.

You can have both, IMHO.
 
john coloccia said:
Because the action is the only money that shows up, and it brings with it sleaze and corruption. I'd love to see it get cleaned up and get legitimate, with legitimate sponsors, real prize money (prize money, not betting between players), getting families more involved again, etc etc. Basically just turn it into a real sport again.

This is a billiards forum, packed with people that love the game, but so many people feel that if there isn't a huge bet between the players the game isn't even worth watching. If that's the case, it's doomed.
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Precisely!
 
jay helfert said:
Dennis told me what was going on after the fact. I admonished him for signing anything without running it by me or someone else first. French snowed him into believing it was an innocent agreement only pertaining to the DVD sales. Dennis made one big mistake, he trusted the guy. Dennis wanted to believe this guy was sincere about helping him and his family. That turned out not to be the case. He was misled and duped!

Dennis is a great pool player but not a very savvy businessman. His command of the English language is fair at best and his reading comprehension is minimal. I've helped him with every deal he's made prior to this one and they've all worked out well for him. Please don't hate on Dennis. He just wants to play pool and he doesn't care who he plays. He's a very honorable guy who doesn't have a devious bone in his body.
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I don't doubt one word of this even a little.
 
A friend talked to Dennis over the phone yesterday and Dennis said pretty much exactly the OP did. Dennis is going to get clear of this and keep on playing.
 
Stage 2 -- of the other players that French signed, did they sign a similar contract?

Darren A didn't sign anything, but what about Shaw, the Ko brothers, etc.? This saga may not be over.

Shaw's FB Page:

Jayson Shaw
January 19 at 5:17pm ·

Well I'm super exited to say that I'm now part of John French team we have been talking for a while and Its finally a done deal

the guy is the best thing that could ever happen to game his heart is all about pool he's going make it super exciting for years to come

he's setting up all these big matches exactly what the fans want to see the Best of the best I applaud what you are doing for the game and how much love you have I'm very excited to be apart of this team and 2016 is going be amazing having a guy like this on my side and setting up the best matches around and taking it to another leaves
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jay helfert said:
Dennis told me what was going on after the fact. I admonished him for signing anything without running it by me or someone else first. French snowed him into believing it was an innocent agreement only pertaining to the DVD sales. Dennis made one big mistake, he trusted the guy. Dennis wanted to believe this guy was sincere about helping him and his family. That turned out not to be the case. He was misled and duped!

Dennis is a great pool player but not a very savvy businessman. His command of the English language is fair at best and his reading comprehension is minimal. I've helped him with every deal he's made prior to this one and they've all worked out well for him. Please don't hate on Dennis. He just wants to play pool and he doesn't care who he plays. He's a very honorable guy who doesn't have a devious bone in his body.
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I don't know how these deals are worked out, but this guy French sure sounds like a real piece of work.
 
terryhanna said:
Good news for Dennis

Dennis and John French have voided the contract and both are going their separate ways. John is going to his attorney tomorrow to retract the contract in its entirety.
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If you think an attorney drew up that contract I have a bridge to sell ya or maybe a little prime land in Louisiana.
 
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