Dennis vs. SVB Full Story- Truth From the Inside

jay helfert said:
I just had a long conversation with Dennis and he laid out the whole thing for me from beginning to end. Dennis is like a son to me and even calls me father.
He will not lie to me and I believe what he just told me 100%! Some of you should be ashamed of yourselves for condemning Dennis so quickly with only French's word to back you up. YOU WERE WRONG, VERY WRONG!
First and foremost French DID NOT front Dennis $6,500 for DCC expenses! That was lie number one by French. Second, French DID NOT give Dennis $10,000 up front money for the match with Shane! Lie number two by French. French did give Dennis $1,300 for his expenses and in return he received over $5,000 in Tiger cues (wholesale value). Dennis wanted Tony from Tiger to send him his Quarterly check (from his sponsorship agreement with Tiger) but French literally begged Dennis to get all cues instead. Dennis did that as a favor to French, telling him that he could only give him one or two cues (he received eight). French wanted all eight and promised Dennis money in return. Dennis has yet to receive any money for the cues he gave John F.
French was the one wooing Dennis from the start, even before he came to the USA. He offered Dennis accommodations at his home and made him other promises if Dennis would make a DVD with him. French picked Dennis up at Midway airport and on the ride to his house told him that the guy producing the DVD wanted a contract with Dennis. He conveniently had the contract with him in the car. Dennis told him he could not sign the contract because he could not understand it. French repeatedly told him, "Trust me Dennis, you can trust me. It's only for the DVD!" Later that day Dennis did in fact sign the contract in a lawyers office (she was John's sister in law), that he had not read! John repeatedly said it was for DVD's only and his sister in law never corrected him. He trusted French and his "lawyer."
French wanted to stake Dennis at DCC and asked Dennis if he could. Dennis told him several times that he already had a sponsor and John could only stake him in cash games and calcuttas. French kept on pestering Dennis to stake him and finally Dennis relented and allowed French to stake him in some small tournaments, like 1-2,000 added events. When Dennis heard later that John was telling people at DCC that he staked Dennis, Dennis called him in his room at 4 AM and went down there to confront him. Dennis asked him why he was telling people that and John vehemently denied ever saying it.
John did stake Dennis in several cash games, and they were tough games for Dennis that he didn't always want to play. John insisted Dennis play anyway and Dennis lost more than he won. Dennis did not feel responsible for the losses but in the interest of being a good guy he freely offered John 5% of his winnings at DCC. Dennis got 70% of what he won (about $14,000) and gave John $700. John thanked him for doing that.
Dennis did get a free room at DCC and John begged Dennis to let him stay with him. Dennis did not want to stay with John and ended up giving his free room to John and he stayed with Justin and Sky. There's more but that's enough for now. I believe what Dennis just told me and the rest of you can believe what you want. Vicious rumors are more fun than the truth anyway. :cool:
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Well, there is one piece of objective evidence, the signed contract. Whatever else may be the case, DO did in fact sign it. And he has admitted he did not honor it.

The other thing we know for sure is that Dennis did not want to reveal the true stakes of the Ko match, he has admitted this during his radio interview. This was an overt act of fraud, since the match sold streaming and admissions on the representation that it was a match for $20k. Now it may be that Dennis did not understand that this was fraud--in which case he is not sophisticated enough to be involved in these kind of big money deals.
 
Get_A_Grip said:
I wouldn't jump on your high horse just yet. Per Dennis's own interview, he basically admitted that he is fine with not disclosing the true amount in the middle, for the Ko match and for the Shane match. Since Dennis was getting a cut of the stream, he was fine with not telling anyone how much was being played for. This is bad enough on it's own.
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:boring2: Errr... what did you want Dennis to do? Announce at the beginning of the match that Ko's side was not able to come up with the full amount? I do not think it is his job to do that. Did you just want him to cancel the match? I am sure a lot more of the people who just want to see two top players match up will be more disappointed if the match did not push through.
 
Is the contract as objective as you made it out to be? Only the court can decide that.

I do know for a fact that I paid to Steinway Billiards for the Stream between Ko/Orcullo. So it must be Manny who committed fraud, by your logic?

Am I the only one that paid to Steinway Billiards for the stream?

LWD said:
Well, there is one piece of objective evidence, the signed contract. Whatever else may be the case, DO did in fact sign it. And he has admitted he did not honor it.

The other thing we know for sure is that Dennis did not want to reveal the true stakes of the Ko match, he has admitted this during his radio interview. This was an overt act of fraud, since the match sold streaming and admissions on the representation that it was a match for $20k. Now it may be that Dennis did not understand that this was fraud--in which case he is not sophisticated enough to be involved in these kind of big money deals.
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Justin Bergman post

"Everything John French said was a lie. I was in the same room as Dennis and heard every conversation between the two of them and between the Sword brothers. I don't feel like typing everything . . ."

Justin,

This post is not as helpful as it could be. If you were a witness to conversations between French and Dennis, could you please report some specific examples of things French said in his interview that you know to be untrue. This would help the rest of us in trying to assess who to believe.
 
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The honorable action would have been to announce before the match started that it was being played for $5k rather than $20k. Whoever was running the stream should have done this. Based on both interviews, it sounds like Dennis was the one who insisted that this correction not be made. And yes, both Steinway and the match promoter (Dennis) are jointly responsible and liable for this.
 
Hmmm

LWD said:
"Everything John French said was a lie. I was in the same room as Dennis and heard every conversation between the two of them and between the Sword brothers. I don't feel like typing everything . . ."

Justin,

This post is not as helpful as it could be. If you were a witness to conversations between French and Dennis, could you please report some specific examples of things French said in his interview that you know to be untrue. This would help the rest of us in trying to assess who to believe.
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Sword is Justin's stake horse. Wonder if he might be a tad biased? Shame he is too lazy to type everything he heard! Just more subjective BS.

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Justin Bergman said:
Everything John French said was a lie. I was in the same room as Dennis and heard every conversation between the two of them and between the Sword brothers. I don't feel like typing everything but I can tell everyone 1000% John French is trying to take advantage of Dennis. He bought me in a calcutta once and told me he was going to give me half and ended up giving around 1-2 percent. He is a liar and greedy backer. He lies so much I think he believes his own lies. He also owes a good friend of mine $13,000 and stiffed him gave him a Schon cue worth $1,500 and thinks they are even because Frenchy told him it's worth $13,000. I think it's funny two weeks ago at Derby he was saying nobody on Earth could beat Dennis and he has so much heart. No he is saying Dennis is heartless and has no gamble and Shane would rob him lol. That is the John French I know.
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Thanks for stepping up Justin. This will help clear Dennis' name.
 
seven_7days said:
I think Dennis already admitted this and claims that he thought it was for Derby expenses



...so he wired it to the Philippines. 💩
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You mean "Dennis admitted this" according to John French in ABR interview with John French. :)
John French's brother Kenny said on Facebook some days ago, that French had spent $100K . That $100K was not brought up in ABR interview


cueenvy said:
He signed it because after he did French gave him 6500 plus the 10k appearance fee. He knew he was gonna screw him when he signed it.....oh yeah he can't read english!!!
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Not exactly. The contract was signed long time ago in Oct2015
The $6500 money was only recently before DCC. Rregarding the $10K appearance fee, French said in his interview that he already paid $10K to Dennis but in ABR Dennis interview, Dennis did not say he received $10K.
:)
 
iusedtoberich said:
What is clear is both Dennis and French have stories that are 180 degrees apart. One, or both of them, is outright lying.

So far, it has been he said she said. From both of them. Jay, do you have any proof of what Dennis said to be true? At the same time, does anyone have any proof of what French said to be true? Both of them told a VERY convincing story on their podcasts. Both stories sounded very believable.

Jay, I'm not picking on you, but one, or both of them is clearly lying through their teeth. If this was in front of Judge Judy, I honestly don't know who she would believe. She'd probably throw them both out of court.

There is probably no way to prove anything. Any money changing hands was probably all physical cash money, and I'd be shocked if any receipts were given.
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I KNOW who's telling the truth! I don't need any more proof than his word to me. I also got a real good look at the other guy at DCC and he came up a little short in my eyes. He wanted to be all things to everyone and ended up being nothing to anyone. It shouldn't take an astute observer to figure this one out. Just consider the characters involved, one who has many years experience at the highest levels of pool and one a newbie to the game.

When you have four decades in this racket you can pretty much tell what's what and who's who. There are many players (Sky, Justin et al) and backers (Jason Sword) who can confirm what Dennis has told me but it's doubtful they will be posting on here.
 
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iusedtoberich said:
But what evidence does Jay have? Just his belief that Dennis won't lie to him? That is zero evidence. I'm not saying who I believe, I've flip flopped already now. And for that reason, I don't believe either one now. Jay's phone call with Dennis is not proof of anything. No offense to Jay, or to Dennis. But it is simply not proof.
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I don't need to win your support or your approval. And that goes for anyone else on here. I needed to hear from Dennis for myself what really transpired. That's good enough for me. Carry on
 
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Justin Bergman said:
Everything John French said was a lie. I was in the same room as Dennis and heard every conversation between the two of them and between the Sword brothers. I don't feel like typing everything but I can tell everyone 1000% John French is trying to take advantage of Dennis. He bought me in a calcutta once and told me he was going to give me half and ended up giving around 1-2 percent. He is a liar and greedy backer. He lies so much I think he believes his own lies. He also owes a good friend of mine $13,000 and stiffed him gave him a Schon cue worth $1,500 and thinks they are even because Frenchy told him it's worth $13,000. I think it's funny two weeks ago at Derby he was saying nobody on Earth could beat Dennis and he has so much heart. No he is saying Dennis is heartless and has no gamble and Shane would rob him lol. That is the John French I know.
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Thanks Justin for clarifying this for the critics of Dennis on here. You and I both know what transpired between Dennis and French. IMO the guy is a lightweight con man who will say and do anything to make a buck.
 
Get_A_Grip said:
I wouldn't jump on your high horse just yet. Per Dennis's own interview, he basically admitted that he is fine with not disclosing the true amount in the middle, for the Ko match and for the Shane match. Since Dennis was getting a cut of the stream, he was fine with not telling anyone how much was being played for. This is bad enough on it's own.
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You're grasping at straws here. It's not pretty! :thumbup:
 
spartan said:
You mean "Dennis admitted this" according to John French in ABR interview with John French. :)
John French's brother Kenny said on Facebook some days ago, that French had spent $100K . That $100K was not brought up in ABR interview




Not exactly. The contract was signed long time ago in Oct2015
The $6500 money was only recently before DCC. Rregarding the $10K appearance fee, French said in his interview that he already paid $10K to Dennis but in ABR Dennis interview, Dennis did not say he received $10K.
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Spartan you're a little confused buddy. I suggest you go back and read post #201.
 
jay helfert said:
Thanks Justin for clarifying this for the critics of Dennis on here. You and I both know what transpired between Dennis and French. IMO the guy is a lightweight con man who will say and do anything to make a buck.
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I agree with you that French is a scam and con artist. He wanted to get a free ride by riding on the coat tails of professional players that are at the top of their game. Without having to spend any money of his own. I don't think French has a pot to piss in or a window to throw it out. He is just a white trailer trash con man.
 
Poolnutz said:
I agree with you that French is a scam and con artist. He wanted to get a free ride by riding on the coat tails of professional players that are at the top of their game. Without having to spend any money of his own. I don't think French has a pot to piss in or a window to throw it out. He is just a white trailer trash con man.
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how do you know he lives in a white trailer, or, are you saying he's a white trash con man?

i'm FIRMLY in the DO, JH camp based on what I've read and know:)
 
Cliff notes:

French scams DO.
DO scams French in return.
Both French and DO scam the public.

Stop making excuses for the both of them. Scumbags.
 
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