Deno...the IPT is still very much ALIVE!

[Nostroke]

I don t have a membership as i was at Reno but i would wait another month if i did. It's only $6 and if you are wrong, it's $30 to re-up so you are giving 5-1 that the IPT is finished. I think it's finished but im not giving 5-1 yet.

and Steve i see more unprofessional stuff almost every day than that post by Spiderwebb-Maybe im slumming it too much

 

[!Smorgass Bored]

Ok, Ok, Don't Lose Your Head

.. People, People, just use your heads.
Doug
( I mean, it's only a par 2 )

 

[PoolSharkAllen]

Roadie, nice post. I will third your sentiments, after TheOne. Spider, do the people signing your paycheck know you are calling their customers "nits"? You have a very professional website, but this is one of the least professional things I've seen in some time. You should be ashamed of this post.

- Steve

I think we're blowing this "nit" comment out of proportion. Here's Spider's statement again:

"For those who cancelled - and you enjoy the video section (and there's a lot more coming).. please re-up. Don't be a nit over $6. You can't drive to Blockbuster for $6, and you have unlimited match viewing (that looks pretty damn good, I might add)."​

In reading Spider's comment, Spider did not say that his customers are nits (nit-wits). "Nit" in this context means don't be a cheapskate over spending $6.

There is a big difference between calling customers nits, and saying don't be a nit (cheapskate) over spending $6. I agree that Spider shouldn't have used the word "nit," however, I think that everyone is misconstueing what Spider meant to say.

 

[Timberly]

I think we're blowing this "nit" comment out of proportion. Here's Spider's statement again:

"For those who cancelled - and you enjoy the video section (and there's a lot more coming).. please re-up. Don't be a nit over $6. You can't drive to Blockbuster for $6, and you have unlimited match viewing (that looks pretty damn good, I might add)."​

In reading Spider's comment, Spider did not say that his customers are nits (nit-wits). "Nit" in this context means don't be a cheapskate over spending $6.

There is a big difference between calling customers nits, and saying don't be a nit (cheapskate) over spending $6. I agree that Spider shouldn't have used the word "nit," however, I think that everyone is misconstueing what Spider meant to say.

I can't think of anyone I know in the pool world off the top if my head what uses the term "nit-wit". I can however think of many that use the term "Nit" in the "cheapskate" context.... I'm going to go out on a limb here and guess that most, if not all the people that read the post, took it exactly as "Nit" and not "nit-wit".

 

[Steve Lipsky]

I think we're blowing this "nit" comment out of proportion...

There is a big difference between calling customers nits, and saying don't be a nit (cheapskate) over spending $6. I agree that Spider shouldn't have used the word "nit," however, I think that everyone is misconstueing what Spider meant to say.

I appreciate your point Allen, but that's like saying you can use whatever bad word you want, as long as you put it in the negative. "Don't be a jerkoff." Is that an acceptable communication then?

I thought it was out of line, but I agree that in many ways, it's probably like a run on a bank. The negativity begins to feed on itself until it creates a problem of its own. I am sure he is frustrated by these events, and I do appreciate that.

However, can we agree that honest, professional communication (from both the IPT and SpiderWebb) might have been a better salve than any statement involving the word "nit"?

- Steve

 

[SpiderWebComm]

oopps... read below

 

[SpiderWebComm]

Oh my lord I'm sucked into another post... just because my message was misconstrued. I meant cheapskate. My point was.. the site's up and working really well... why cancel?

I shouldn't have used the word nit - but I was emotional over the recruiting of people to cancel their memberships over $6. Companies like mine (outside of the billiards industry) are trying to support pool as well - and there aren't many of them.

To the guy above me in the thread - you're right, I'm very frustrated. But - as you can see, I'm sure this is why the IPT won't post here. People are militant.

Those who cancelled who didn't like being called a nit - I'm sorry Let there be peace. You won in the end by cancelling, right?

 

[Southpaw]

Well I'm glad we have Linda to get involved directly and try to find out just exactly what is going on. The only thing that bothers me about what Deno told her is, what if for some strange reason the Ho deal doesnt go thru.....then are they saying that the players are just S.O.L.?? Sounds like to me that they are basing whether or not the players get paid on the sale of the IPT to Ho.....if so, thats not right, the players should be paid regardless!

Southpaw

 

[PoolSharkAllen]

I can't think of anyone I know in the pool world off the top if my head what uses the term "nit-wit". I can however think of many that use the term "Nit" in the "cheapskate" context.... I'm going to go out on a limb here and guess that most, if not all the people that read the post, took it exactly as "Nit" and not "nit-wit".

To me, "Nit" is short for nit-wit. I just Googled this word and found the following definition, which does confirm that nit is an abbreviated word for nit-wit: "fool; idiot; simpleton; dolt."

Again, Spider did not mean to say that his customers are dolts are something to that effect. He meant nit as in cheapskate, which I think we all agree was an inappropriate comment to make.

 

[PoolSharkAllen]

Oh my lord I'm sucked into another post... just because my message was misconstrued. I meant cheapskate. My point was.. the site's up and working really well... why cancel?

Welcome back to this looney thread where anything and everything will be misconstrued.

 

[TheOne]

Oh my lord I'm sucked into another post... just because my message was misconstrued. I meant cheapskate. My point was.. the site's up and working really well... why cancel?

I shouldn't have used the word nit - but I was emotional over the recruiting of people to cancel their memberships over $6. Companies like mine (outside of the billiards industry) are trying to support pool as well - and there aren't many of them.

To the guy above me in the thread - you're right, I'm very frustrated. But - as you can see, I'm sure this is why the IPT won't post here. People are militant.

Those who cancelled who didn't like being called a nit - I'm sorry Let there be peace. You won in the end by cancelling, right?

I don't think its about winning or losing, its about not getting ripped off. If the website and emails stop working tomorrow many subscribers would find it extreemly difficult to cancel their membership. $6 is nothing of course but its not a charity, KT has a well documented history of charging peoples credit card incorrectly. You forgot that despite this most of us gave him a second chance and subscribed to the site to support the tour. Since then we many lies have been told and the tour "seems" to be falling apart around us.

I assume that since you didn't deny it, you did work soley for commission,. That was your business decission, don't blame the consumers for bailing, blame the IPT for not paying the players for 6 weeks and giving BS excuses for each delay!

 

[Steve Lipsky]

Just for the record, you guys are still miscontruing. No one would have been offended had he said "nitwit". We don't care if we are called dolts, lol. It is precisely because the connotation was cheapskate that some people got all a-riled.

- Steve

 

[sniper]

Oh no, you did not linda!!!!!!

I understand that you are torn, holding out hope that the ipt succeeds. I understand how much time and effort you have expended on the tour. I also understand why you would keep extending to them every benifit of doubt you can muster.

BUT....

With all the flippflopping you are doing, at the very least, if you experience a change of heart, you should be adopting a wait and see attiude. Nothing more.

But encouraging the public to continue entering qualifiers, and spnding 2k at a clip, is COMPLETELY IRRESPONSIBLE ON YOUR PART. Considering no one has been paid for the last event, and the very real possibility that the ipt no longer actually exists, to make that statement reflects on your credibility.

Wait and see, don't crucify, etc is one thing, but to publically call for people to continue investing hard earned dollars into the ipt when we don't know one way or another if it is still viable is OUTRAGEOUS.

I would expect som sort of recanting on your part. You are better than that, imo.

rg

Thank you Randy, for echoing my thoughts exactly.

As much as I want this thing to be successful, the players have been lied to repeatedly on several different fronts and been given the runaround from KT, Deno, and the entire IPT for over a month now. At this point in time I would spend two cents on the IPT, let alone two thousand dollars...which is a considerable chunk of change for most players.


Hopefully the players will be paid sometime in the near future, otherwise I have a hard time seeing there being a tournament in Chichago.

 

[LAMas]

Nitpick

Spider,
$6.00 a month (+ membership) is a small amount of money and to complain would be to 'nit'pick the amount.

 

[Eydie Romano]

I left a message for Deno to call me earlier today. Hopefully, he will get back to me.

 

[jjinfla]

Oh my lord I'm sucked into another post... just because my message was misconstrued. I meant cheapskate. My point was.. the site's up and working really well... why cancel?

I shouldn't have used the word nit - but I was emotional over the recruiting of people to cancel their memberships over $6. Companies like mine (outside of the billiards industry) are trying to support pool as well - and there aren't many of them.

To the guy above me in the thread - you're right, I'm very frustrated. But - as you can see, I'm sure this is why the IPT won't post here. People are militant.

Those who cancelled who didn't like being called a nit - I'm sorry Let there be peace. You won in the end by cancelling, right?

Spider,

I would suggest that when you produce a website such as this one in the future (The membership Club) you make it abundantly clear that it is your company providing the information as a separate company and not as an employee of, in this case, the IPT.

For all I knew you were an employee of the IPT, or Natural Cures,Inc, working out of an office up in Elk Grove, Illinois.

If Kevin walks away from the IPT will the membership club remain in existence is the question people have and how hard will it be to cancel then. Will you still be able to get videos of the IPT matches?

Since I am also having a problem accessing the Jimmy Reid Diamond Club and can't contact them I didn't want double problems. More of a nuisance than a problem actually.

Jake

 

[jasper]

If you don't want responses then why post this?
Call Deno? For what? lol You sound as bad as Jasper now. Now, Linda, tell me, should I send in my six bucks so I can watch the Chicago event live on my PC, or should David and I just show up in Chi-town for some first class spectatorin'? I wonder how that would go over...hmmm. How about... I don't call Deno and I just use this opportunity to LMAO at the fact that you say we should all call Deno!!! That's what I am going to do! If he lied to you again (...I mean hey - come on ... let's look at their record) what then? Call Deno again? lol He doesn't care about you, Linda. Too bad you can't see that.

This is funny.........
You always said you cared about the players.
The minute a player comes here post their positive feelings about the final outcome, they get attacked !!!

 

[straybullet]

This is funny.........
You always said you cared about the players.

I do. I said that the IPT doesn't care about Linda. I also know that I'm right.

The minute a player comes here post their positive feelings about the final outcome, they get attacked !!!

I am not attacking Linda. I said that to her because I do care about her and her future. I believe her faith is misplaced at the moment and in the end she will eventually realize that. When that happens, as her friend I will be here. Will Kevin do the same? You dont have to answer that.

 

[Roadie]

Sure, how about instad of calling the existing, cancelling, and potential customers anything at all, you extoll the virtues of the service and offer a limited amount of free trial accounts?

We who have had accounts are pretty much in agreement that the live streaming was pretty good, (not broadcast quality as claimed) but did stream fairly well for most. We are pretty much in agreement that the small library of matches is nice and works fairly well, again not broadcast quality on every broadband connection as claimed but nice nonetheless.

Where we, the militants, do not agree is to pay into a system that takes advantage of the desperate dreams of our pool playing idols. Some of us, myself included, have watched this entire drama unfold throughout the past year and have taken a positive view with a healhy degree of wariness.

Others have been fairly pessimistic from day one due to Trudeau's past. Current events seem to be proving the pessimists were correct from the beginning and make it hard for the optimists to hold course.

If you want to do work on a revenue share basis that can generate a small legion of loyal subscribers then I suggest you contact Pat Fleming at Accustats. He has the world's greatest library of pool, carom, and other billiard footage. I would gladly pay as much as $20 a month for unlimited access to all that.

I have paid on the order of $1000 for the library of Accustats videos that I have just sold.

So I doubt very much that I have been a "nit" in any sense of the word.

That the IPT won't repsond on the Forums is utter nonsense. The IPT has no problem to use the forums to communicate when things are going well. They have no problem to communicate with the fan base when they would like to have us part with our money, as in the enticements to become members of the club.

The IPT has always needed to have a person who is responsible for public relations, which includes forums and blogs. They don't have this person and so in the face of all the negative speculation they simply clam up.

If Trudeau had told his players in Reno what the REAL DEAL is then none of this would have been needed. If, on the final day, he had personally laid it out, then a lot of this could have been avoided. But he did not, he and his staff have lied to the players and by extension lied to the customers.

This is why we are being "nitty" with our money now. While we enjoy the content we don't and can't enjoy it under the context. How do you feel when you know that Efren Reyes supports over 500 people in the Phillipines and he hasn't been paid? How about Rodney Morris and his two children? How about Tammie Jones and her daughters? How about the players from overseas who scraped together money to make the trip after winning a brutal qualifer and then did well only to return unpaid?

These are the individual stories that hurt. The collective net "good" that Trudeau has accomplished so far, more money paid out, live matches on teh web, high class venues, are paling in comparison to the personal issues he is inflicting right now.

I hope the IPT succeeds. I hope that once in my lifetime I will see a guarantee that is truly a guarantee as pertains to a pool tournament. In all my travels I have yet to see one. Sure, there will be promoters who say their word has always been good. I have never heard of ayone at any of Mr. Helfert's events not getting paid. But again, I have also never seen Mr. Helfert, Mr. Behrman, Mr. Braun, Mr. Hearn or anyone else put up the money in some fashion where it is bonded and secured. So although these gentlemen have always paid on time the only guarantee the player's possessed was the word of the promoter. In this case Trudeau has only proven to the pessimists that his word is not good as they said all along and disheartened the optimists who believed that Trudeau had redeemed himself. The bottom line is that the man promised to pay and hasn't, not the players and not all the others who are owed through the IPT.

 

[jasper]

I do. I said that the IPT doesn't care about Linda. I also know that I'm right.


I am not attacking Linda. I said that to her because I do care about her and her future. I believe her faith is misplaced at the moment and in the end she will eventually realize that. When that happens, as her friend I will be here. Will Kevin do the same? You dont have to answer that.

You are a very negative person.
Why can't keep all your negative remarks to yourself.
You basically called linda a fool.
You should be ashamed of yourself.