I wonder if TPA is dead. Pat sold Accu-stats. After the sale, Pat was only filming I believe 2 tournaments. One was the DCC, second was the International Open. If DCC filming by Pat is dead, that leaves one tournament per year with a TPA.
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yea, but it's a formula right? if the xpool people can't count can't they have a trained AI thingie do the math in real time?
TPA is a brilliant measure of pool greatness, matchroom and predator ought to use it too
No one is as anal as Pat. No other streamer will be keeping stats. MR is the only other one I know of that does it (their own formula), and their formula doesn't even make sense half the time.
Also, now with FargoRate, I think it is more useful. It shows how much a player over or under performed their rating, relative to their opponent. It also requires zero work by anyone. TPA requires someone to watch and log every single shot.
huh? it doesn't even compare to TPA? fargorate is relative, and more importantly it's just games won/loss. TPA is a more true measure of performance in a match.
Then why can they say played B played at a 930FR? Seems pretty telling to me and it's over the match or tournament.
Just sayin
yes, I understand FR is relative, and TPA is absolute. However, FR is automatically calculated. A single match, or an entire tournament performance says: "this player showed up and did way better than his normal". It's good and useful info. Because it's so easy to obtain, it is actually used. Most people I know go to the performance tab in digitalpool and see how they are doing relative to the field and their average.
TPA is about impossible to obtain. There are not 10,000 Pat's around to score every game.
TPA is about impossible to obtain. There are not 10,000 Pat's around to score every game.
People can say all they want, that doesn’t mean they actually performed like a 930. Perhaps they did, perhaps they didn’t.
Your opponent could be a 750 on average but the typical match to match variability in their actual performance is probably on the range of 100-150 points. Maybe even more for lower rated players.
Filler just beat Krause 10-0. His skill level was not infinity and Krause’s was not negative infinity, which is what that calculation would mindlessly spit out.
impossible why? it's missed shots, unsuccessful safeties, scratches..
and no, relative performance is not very useful or interesting. just about all sports have proper stats because that's what's interesting to the viewers, and also it's comparable to history. wade's and efren's TPA 1.000 was unmatched in big time events for years, players like filler and/or fedor has gone through bigfoot without dipping below .960 (icbw on the number), and that sort of stuff is interesting. impressive feats that's remembered and documented.
Impossible no. Unfeasable yes. It requires human labor on each and every match. It's just never going to happen. There is no budget (or desire) for that in pool. A ref is not feasable per table. Even a timekeeper is not feasible per table. Recording shots/innings/misses/safety attempts to calculate a TPA is more work than either of those.
Second dumbest question ever but had to know for sure.
Did y'all see Billy vs Pia banks match?! Unreal
Billy is unreal with the banking. I'd be surprised if anyone can beat him at that game this week.
Billy is unreal with the banking. I'd be surprised if anyone can beat him at that game this week.
The 9 ball this year is NOT a MR satellite points event, correct?
I’ve seen matches (one was a long SVB set, maybe against Chang, I forget the streamer) where the streamer had a TPA that was utterly ridiculous. It was like .947 the entire time and wouldn’t budge no matter what error happened.
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Yep, the other guys who knows what their formula was and if it was worth anything. Same with the MR formula. Pat has had his published for 40 years and was consistent with it.