Desperation 9-ball tactics?

If you truly are good enough to break and run 20-25% of the time, and your opponents aren't flat out world beaters, like top 50 in the world, I don't see why you would be so desperate getting 2 games on the wire with loser breaks. Just play normally and you are the favorite.
On their break, they either B&R, or leave the other guy so tied up the cue ball might as well be under the table (as far as I'm concerned, anyway:D). Maybe 1 game out of 10 they don't do this? I think there are a lot of 9-ball players in the world that play this well. One of them, I was told, has won national-level tournaments in the US and Europe years ago. One pocket, though, not 9-ball (I'm not sure if that makes it better or worse:grin:).

Besides, I couldn't very well ask for tips to beat them when I am bringing nothing that will help: "I run a rack once a month, and I want to beat these two strong players..." See? Doesn't fly.:embarrassed2:
 
The most informative post in this thread is #16 by "gmillioni".
I don't know him from Adam but from what he's written, I know he can play.
If the game is 9ball, that's how it's played.
See the R/O and then make it happen.

KJ
 
1. dont miss - but since thats out of the universe
2. if you are honest with yourself you'll ask yourself if you take some chances on a shot, hoping to end up over here or there. point is if you are "taking chances" to make something happen - stop. play safe (the general rule though is if the safety is as tough as the shot go for the shot.
Got it, and it goes along with the earlier advice to be realistic about skills.
3. admittedly you are not a consistent break and run player, but you sound confident enough that you can run 4, maybe 5 balls regularly, therefore that's when you make your move to win. when there are fewer balls on the table you are less likely to be able to manage a great safety when you need it most. so play your safe shots early on, go for your runs later. now that is based on the premise that you are not selling out the whole rack.
4. since you may be able to regularly run 3,4,5 balls then think ahead. dont tie up the balls that may be the few that you can run later in the rack.
For me to expect to routinely run more than 4-5 balls right now would be unrealistic. Maybe by this summer...

I guess I need to decide whether I need to throw up a roadblock if I can or I need to keep things open for myself on a game-by-game basis.
5. nine ball is a game of angles and patterns. great players already have a whole rack plan in mind when they hit the table. if the plan is to run you can bet they have a pattern in mind. they visualize where each ball is going before the first stroke. sometimes they get out of shape, then they stop rethink the pattern, get down and play. the angles are what make the pattern predictable, the speed is what makes you able to get onto the correct side of the ball to move onto the next one, and next one, etc.
6. throw out three balls. shoot them in any order but choose the pattern before your first stroke and shoot that pattern. if you can do that at least 5 times, 10 is better. then throw out the three balls and now do the same thing only shoot the balls in numerical order but sticking to your visualized pattern. when yo can do that at least 5 times in a row, throw out four balls. dont go beyond that. believe me your game will elevate quickly if you can maintain pattern control with just that few balls. and why is that? b/c in a match all your looking to do is get yourself at the table when you know there are few enough balls that you can see at least two to three ahead. and make the run.
6. quick example: say there are five balls on the table and control is turned over to you. you see that you can easlily make the first two, but are not sure how to get to the third. well make one then look at the pattern again. you see that you can make the next ball but still not sure you can get a good angle on the one after that. shoot the second ball but this time bear in mind that instead of shooting to pocket that difficult ball, shoot to get in a place where a safety becomes the easier shot on that difficult ball. ok. change scenario. you look at the five balls they are all open, no clusters to break out, nothing in your way. look for the three ball pattern of the first three balls. make one and now look at the pattern for the next three (remember your only looking at four now b/c you made one). make the second ball. now look at the next remaining three. by this time you will have in mind a pattern that your are capable of doing.
I'm a long way from this level of play. I will give the practice routine some effort.
7, all this is also based on the fact that you dont miss when you shouldnt and that is the nature of this game. i have seen just recently some champions some very simple shots. get over it, they do.
I have to accept that coming back after many years' absence from playing, the biggest problem I have is being erratic. Sometimes my shooting is sharp (so I can cheat pockets, etc) and have decent CB control. Sometimes the next shot is a diamond off!:angry: I know consistency will come, so I can make better decisions, but it's frustrating to not have a clue about how well you will execute the next shot.
8. do not let your cue ball fly around. maintain control
9. practice, practice, practice. nothing difficult . just practice some simple straight shots use follow, use draw, use center ball, the idea is to move the cue to a place you have chosen and make the straight shot
10. if you are a big fan of lots of english, stop. 12 oclock, 6 oclock, and up and down that straight line will allow you to be more accurate. you dont need english to make a cut shot. stop with all the english. this is difficult discipline for an unseasoned player whose used to using 3 oclcock and 9 oclock or some other outside english. get your basic game under control.
lastly be flexible. all this is dynamic and changes as we shoot.
8 and 10 I already focus on. I try to keep a quiet cue ball, and the most common use I have for English is kicks, usually just to make contact.

i know it's a book but i hope you gain something from the reading.
Thank you for taking the time to write a tutorial:thumbup:
 
The problem with stealing is that the risk is often greater than or equal to the reward.

That being said, if it's " stealing" you want, try playing safe in a way that locates the lowest numbered ball in proximity to the 9-ball...

If you get ball-in-hand, you can fire at the 9.

You might also try tempting your opponent into shooting a low-percentage combo on the 9...

Instead of slashing at the ball, good players tend to shoot these shots in a controlled manner.

If he misses, the 9-ball could hang-up or sit near the pocket.
 
Wht's with advising practice? Too late for that, it is tourney time- gotta play with what you brought!

Nobody has told him to ride the 9? Nothing takes the wind out of an opponent's sails like seeing you make the 9 @100 mph with an eye or 2 closed. Especially in a short race.

1. dont miss - but since thats out of the universe
2. if you are honest with yourself you'll ask yourself if you take some chances on a shot, hoping to end up over here or there. point is if you are "taking chances" to make something happen - stop. play safe (the general rule though is if the safety is as tough as the shot go for the shot.
3. admittedly you are not a consistent break and run player, but you sound confident enough that you can run 4, maybe 5 balls regularly, therefore that's when you make your move to win. when there are fewer balls on the table you are less likely to be able to manage a great safety when you need it most. so play your safe shots early on, go for your runs later. now that is based on the premise that you are not selling out the whole rack.
4. since you may be able to regularly run 3,4,5 balls then think ahead. dont tie up the balls that may be the few that you can run later in the rack.
5. nine ball is a game of angles and patterns. great players already have a whole rack plan in mind when they hit the table. if the plan is to run you can bet they have a pattern in mind. they visualize where each ball is going before the first stroke. sometimes they get out of shape, then they stop rethink the pattern, get down and play. the angles are what make the pattern predictable, the speed is what makes you able to get onto the correct side of the ball to move onto the next one, and next one, etc.
6. throw out three balls. shoot them in any order but choose the pattern before your first stroke and shoot that pattern. if you can do that at least 5 times, 10 is better. then throw out the three balls and now do the same thing only shoot the balls in numerical order but sticking to your visualized pattern. when yo can do that at least 5 times in a row, throw out four balls. dont go beyond that. believe me your game will elevate quickly if you can maintain pattern control with just that few balls. and why is that? b/c in a match all your looking to do is get yourself at the table when you know there are few enough balls that you can see at least two to three ahead. and make the run.
6. quick example: say there are five balls on the table and control is turned over to you. you see that you can easlily make the first two, but are not sure how to get to the third. well make one then look at the pattern again. you see that you can make the next ball but still not sure you can get a good angle on the one after that. shoot the second ball but this time bear in mind that instead of shooting to pocket that difficult ball, shoot to get in a place where a safety becomes the easier shot on that difficult ball. ok. change scenario. you look at the five balls they are all open, no clusters to break out, nothing in your way. look for the three ball pattern of the first three balls. make one and now look at the pattern for the next three (remember your only looking at four now b/c you made one). make the second ball. now look at the next remaining three. by this time you will have in mind a pattern that your are capable of doing.
7, all this is also based on the fact that you dont miss when you shouldnt and that is the nature of this game. i have seen just recently some champions some very simple shots. get over it, they do.
8. do not let your cue ball fly around. maintain control
9. practice, practice, practice. nothing difficult . just practice some simple straight shots use follow, use draw, use center ball, the idea is to move the cue to a place you have chosen and make the straight shot
10. if you are a big fan of lots of english, stop. 12 oclock, 6 oclock, and up and down that straight line will allow you to be more accurate. you dont need english to make a cut shot. stop with all the english. this is difficult discipline for an unseasoned player whose used to using 3 oclcock and 9 oclock or some other outside english. get your basic game under control.
lastly be flexible. all this is dynamic and changes as we shoot.

i know it's a book but i hope you gain something from the reading.
 
What specific tactics of desperation can I try? Where do I get those other two wins tomorrow night? Here's how it has to go:

Game 1: They break and win, 0-1.
Game 2: I B&R and win, 1-1.
Game 3: They break and win, 1-2.
Game 4: I break, can't run out, they win. 1-3.
Game 5: I break, can't run out, but win, 2-3. (HOW?)
Game 6: They break and win, 2-4. (Hill-hill)
Game 7: I break, can't run out, but win, match! (HOW?)

Take flyers at the 9-ball at every possible moment.

Desperation calleth; desperation answers.
 
Have your smokin hot girlfriend sit next to the table and flirt with them.
 
Play each situation/shot/game/opponent one at a time with zero fear and 100% confidence in success. When you miss (and you will miss) walk from the table like nothing happened. Opponents can see your fear (or lack of confidence) in your play and your mannerisms, and if they don't see fear, they wonder why not. Lastly, drop your idea of preset outcomes. Just because they did this and that doesn't matter. They have to bring it each and every time...just like the everyone!

Good luck with it!
 
[...]it is tourney time- gotta play with what you brought!

Nobody has told him to ride the 9? Nothing takes the wind out of an opponent's sails like seeing you make the 9 @100 mph with an eye or 2 closed. Especially in a short race.

Take flyers at the 9-ball at every possible moment.

LOL, now these are more like the advice I was expecting! Take more risk - "Nothing ventured, nothing gained."

Reminds me of Warren Zevon, "Lawyers, Guns and Money":

I was gambling in Havana
I took a little risk
Send lawyers, guns and money
Dad, get me out of this!
 
LOL, now these are more like the advice I was expecting! Take more risk - "Nothing ventured, nothing gained."

Reminds me of Warren Zevon, "Lawyers, Guns and Money":

I was gambling in Havana
I took a little risk
Send lawyers, guns and money
Dad, get me out of this!

very true-tuff to argue with:
making the 9
lawyers
guns
money
 
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