Deuel's 10 ball break at Valley Forge

[CreeDo]

With a tight rack and a center hit, both of them go towards the side naturally, but they usually hit too low. Cutting a bit (not a lot) helps send one ball a bit higher and the other a bit lower. Sometimes the other doesn't seem to move as much or as fast. Usually just cutting doesn't get a ball in the side for me.

To really alter it you need draw. I guess the theory is that draw puts topspin on the 1 ball, which puts backspin on the balls behind it, and those balls backspin off the 3rd row... bringing them high enough to go into the side. Only a tiny bit of the spin is transferred but it's enough to drag those balls up a few inches.

I think the fullness of hit on the 1 matters a lot too in how much transfers, which is why the draw thing works best when you don't cut too much.

 

[spoons]

This is the 10 ball ring game. Perfect example of the Corey Deuel Break as described earlier in this thread. Around 35:30 minute mark. Both the corner ball (9) and the second row ball (7?) in the side.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RA0CtBN0vZI&NR=1

Throughout the match Corey's break were like this but this one is the best example.

This is actually pretty funny to me. I would say he's hitting those balls easily 50-100% harder than he did at Valley Forge last weekend, and from about 6-8 inches farther off center. However, he was able to get the same (better?) results in this video. My guess is that Corey experimented with a few different breaks when he got to Valley Forge, and the one I diagrammed was the one he seemed to get the best results with on those tables.

 

[spoons]

With a tight rack and a center hit, both of them go towards the side naturally, but they usually hit too low. Cutting a bit (not a lot) helps send one ball a bit higher and the other a bit lower. Sometimes the other doesn't seem to move as much or as fast. Usually just cutting doesn't get a ball in the side for me.

To really alter it you need draw. I guess the theory is that draw puts topspin on the 1 ball, which puts backspin on the balls behind it, and those balls backspin off the 3rd row... bringing them high enough to go into the side. Only a tiny bit of the spin is transferred but it's enough to drag those balls up a few inches.

I think the fullness of hit on the 1 matters a lot too in how much transfers, which is why the draw thing works best when you don't cut too much.

I don't know for sure, but I would imagine that the effect would be much greater if the cue ball is not airborne when it gets to the 1 ball. If that's true, then it could be beneficial to hit the balls softer...

 

[CreeDo]

Sort of offtopic but today I played on good equipment with fresh cloth and was getting the side shot a lot more than usual. I also was getting a ball on the break in 9b like 5/6ths of the time, usually the wing ball. I think I had myself convinced my aim, stroke, whatever just wasn't good enough to make a controlled ball on the break, but playing on different equipment changed that. That may be the real 'secret' if there is one... the equipment does matter.

 

[Johnnyt]

Clean balls, good cloth, and low humidity makes it a lot easier to make the 1 in the side in 9-ball or one of the 2nd row in in the side in 10-ball. A slight bit of draw, a little left english. med-hard speed makes the 1-ball for me from the right-side of the table. I just learned how to do it often in the last few weeks. Years ago you hardly ever saw anyone practice where to break from while warming up. Today most all good pros spend a lot of their warm-up time racking and breaking. Johnnyt

 

[Pushout]

The more I think about it the more I am prone toward racking the balls in ANY ORDER YOU CHOOSE, that is, except for the one ball and the ten ball.

I think this is appropriate, especially in rack your own, alternating break formats. Each player should have the right to put the balls where he thinks they will do him the most good. It could add an element of interest to the viewers watching the match and make for good discussion by commentators and audiences.

JoeyA

I agree with you, making sure they are random every time would be a pain, also.