Deuel's break

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md5key

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I saw a video of Corey doing the 14.1 Challenge at DCC and he used a very interesting break shot to start out the rack. The break ball was placed right in front of the side pocket, with the cue ball less than 1" from it (at least it looked this way). I have tried this a couple times, and while it works, I can't help but to think it could be a push shot. It just seems like there's no way the cue isn't "pushing" the cue ball after contact with the break ball. What do you guys think?

Here's a layout of how I think the shot went:

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I Dont think that that is a push shot since he is shooting across the ball and not straight into the ball that is hanging in the side.

Even if they were frozen you can shoot across it without it being a foul!

Steve
 
It's a legit shot - not a push.

I personally HAAAAAAAATE it when I see pros start their run with this particular break shot. In my opinion, it's cheating and a gaff break because it'd never come up in regular play.

I think DCC should force pros to start with a side or behind the rack break shot. Breaking from this position gives you an 8-ball-like "BLAST" that's a little unrealistic.

Just my traditional, humble, conservative opinion.
 
SpiderWebComm said:
It's a legit shot - not a push.

I personally HAAAAAAAATE it when I see pros start their run with this particular break shot. In my opinion, it's cheating and a gaff break because it'd never come up in regular play.

I think DCC should force pros to start with a side or behind the rack break shot. Breaking from this position gives you an 8-ball-like "BLAST" that's a little unrealistic.

Just my traditional, humble, conservative opinion.
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LOL... Hey Dave - I have some video of Allen Hopkins using this same exact break at the same 14.1 challenge. It didn't work very well for him at all. BTW - I'll have that one done this weekend.
 
Blackjack is back. How long you been around, man?
MULLY

I see nothing wrong with the shot and can't understand why Dave would think it's a form of cheating. If they come to rest like that what the hell else are you supposed to do?
 
Considering they only have a limited number of tries, it's a pretty smart shot. Even pros miss break shots, it's kind of sucky to waste a try on a false start.
 
SpiderWebComm said:
It's a legit shot - not a push.

I personally HAAAAAAAATE it when I see pros start their run with this particular break shot. In my opinion, it's cheating and a gaff break because it'd never come up in regular play.

I think DCC should force pros to start with a side or behind the rack break shot. Breaking from this position gives you an 8-ball-like "BLAST" that's a little unrealistic.

Just my traditional, humble, conservative opinion.
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I've actually seen the side pocket shot similiar to that in some Accu-Stats professional 14.1 tournament DVD's. If a ball is sitting there right in front of the pocket and there's a decent key ball the position area that will work to hit the rack is actually pretty large. I've seen guys play it right into the top of the rack and two rails to hit the rack from below. Danny DiLiberto has mentioned in several of his commentaries that he likes that shot if it's available although realistically the cue ball probably isn't going to end up that close to the object ball. I suppose you could even end up below the ball with a steep angle and play three rails around into the rack. Sooner or later I think everything will come up in regular play. There's a lot of unconventional break shots that will work pretty well in a pinch and I've seen pros on these tournament DVD's execute some crafty break shots to sustain runs. I think the downside with the shot is if you skip off the side of the rack and scratch. John Schmidt uses a variation of that shot to start his 275 on his DVD.

I think if it's a legal shot and they have ball in hand to start go for it although I do agree it's not as classy as a more conventional 14.1 breakshot.
 
I don't find this particular break ball effective at all. It splatters the balls everywhere, and if you hit them too hard you're likely to have all the balls leave the rack area. Of course you'll have all of the balls open, but you'll spend most of your time trying to nudge a BB into position. Just my experience.
 
Blackjack said:
I don't find this particular break ball effective at all. It splatters the balls everywhere, and if you hit them too hard you're likely to have all the balls leave the rack area. Of course you'll have all of the balls open, but you'll spend most of your time trying to nudge a BB into position. Just my experience.
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That makes a lot of sense, you trade the almost certainty of having the balls open well for the uncertainty of having balls (including the cue ball) bouncing all over the table. There's no question that in 14.1 when there's a lot of balls rolling around really bad things tend to happen on a regular basis. In my limited experience the best breakshots get the ball seperated but not spread all over the place where you have to chase them down all over the table.
 
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