Developing the New Generation of Pocket Billiard Players - What Can We Do?

ESPN doesn't even know "100% of all proposals that go through their offices"

liakos said:
No one said your weren't allowed to dream:)
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Now I have imaginary gods attacking me. LoL

The fact is ESPN doesn't even know "100% of all proposals that go through their offices" - how could anyone else.

I do know ESPN will do business with pocket billiard promoters, although they're not going to pay to produce their events. This is typical, you have to put up money to buy dinner, buy gas, buy clothes.....and yes, even buy air-time on ESPN.
 
CJ Wiley said:
Now I have imaginary gods attacking me. LoL

The fact is ESPN doesn't even know "100% of all proposals that go through their offices" - how could anyone else.

I do know ESPN will do business with pocket billiard promoters, although they're not going to pay to produce their events. This is typical, you have to put up money to buy dinner, buy gas, buy clothes.....and yes, even buy air-time on ESPN.
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You have to buy "air-time"?? I'm sure no one understands this concept CJ! People on here think they know the ins and outs of the tv world!

What people fail to real-eyes is that in order to get on tv, you need a product! That product has to move(sell)! Once it starts moving, it can get $$$! Once it gets $$$, it can get on tv!

Then,,,,,,,,,,,, people have to watch! People have to be captivated! People have to be drawn in! Then,,,,,,, people have to spend on the advertiser(s)!

But, before all else, we need a product! Hopefully that's where you come in;)
 
CJ Wiley said:
If there was a proposal that I'm unaware of please post it, according to my marketing agency there has been none presented in the last 10 years. I do know Barry Hearn ask them to pay to broadcast the Mosconi Cup, and that went over like a lead-balloon.
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Let's leave it at the fact that in the same sentence, you claim there were no proposal, and talk about Barry making one.

I'm done arguing, you're the best, we're all clowns.

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jpparmentier said:
Let's leave it at the fact that in the same sentence, you claim there were no proposal, and talk about Barry making one.

I'm done arguing, you're the best, we're all clowns.

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The first step is to realeyes you are wrong! From here, you will learn! The clowns need to stop yapping and get behing the TEAM!

You have the word TEAM under your name! I guess your part of AZ, well in that case, you probably are like the other dullards of AZ and wish to remain ignorant! I hope I'm wrong!
 
TV viewers don't complain, they change the channel and the ratings go down.

liakos said:
You have to buy "air-time"?? I'm sure no one understands this concept CJ! People on here think they know the ins and outs of the tv world!

What people fail to real-eyes is that in order to get on tv, you need a product! That product has to move(sell)! Once it starts moving, it can get $$$! Once it gets $$$, it can get on tv!

Then,,,,,,,,,,,, people have to watch! People have to be captivated! People have to be drawn in! Then,,,,,,, people have to spend on the advertiser(s)!

But, before all else, we need a product! Hopefully that's where you come in;)
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That's correct, the game is our product and it needs to be good every time, not just on some occasions. If you went to a steak house and had a great meal 2 times, then on the 3rd time got a steak that was filled with grizzle it would create a bad impression

Some people would complain about their meal, and others would simply not go back. TV viewers don't complain, they change the channel and the ratings/momentum diminishes. .

When you move this analogy to ESPN it's especially important that the product (the Games) is "prime" and consistent. This sounds like it would be simple to fix, however, it's more complicated than I ever could have imagined. I'm just glad to finally see it can be done, and of course it's still going to take an extraordinary amount of time and effort.

Luckily, the game is my teacher, the only thing I have to do is listen, learn and employ.
 
CJ Wiley said:
No, the key to it all is ESPN coverage. Reaching millions has an impact, reaching a few hundred doesn't.
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Don't you think it is quite possible that ESPN was only riding on back of pool's popularity? A layman could easily look at this and conclude that ESPN was not an engine but in fact was a box-car along for the ride. As public interest subsided, ESPN moved on to something else.

ESPN quit pool so pool died? I don't think so.
 
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When I did look back it was apparent that many things had changed

Paul Schofield said:
Don't you think it is quite possible that ESPN was only riding on back of pool's popularity? A layman could easily look at this and conclude that ESPN was not an engine but in fact was a box-car along for the ride. As public interest subsided, ESPN moved on to something else.

ESPN quit pool so pool died? I don't think so.
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Anything's possible of course.

ESPN is in the business of making money, if your product doesn't make them money they will not do it. They ave not in the business of producing pool events. I worked with them from 1996-99 and they added a million dollars in prize money and gave the game thousand's of hours of world-wide exposure.

I left the game entirely for political reasons in 1999 and didn't look back for 8 years. When I did look back it was apparent that many things had changed, few of them positive (imho). I don't see any hope in promoting 8/9/ or 10 Ball, it's basically a lost cause like many say.

Does this mean we should give up on pool?

Feel free, I'm not stopping anyone. My loyalty is to the Game and the American players, it's beyond my pay scale to make it my business what anyone else does, thinks, or says.
 
My private club had 630,000 Private Members
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Congratulations. That has to be a first for Face Book.

But ya know, CJ, it has been a at least a couple of years of you talking about who you know and what you can and are doing for the future of pool. Dontcha think it's about time to actually do something or get off the pot.

Now, you're at the point of saying Soon. It's like saying Never. Well, never is a long time and means about the same as Soon.

So what ya'll got shaking? I could be wrong but personally, I predict a huge Zero.

Back in the 90s a TV producer in Dallas wanted me to develop a game on the pool table that taught geometry, math, physics, and even spelling (using letters on the balls). I still think this could be a good idea, kids learn quickly in a fun, yet challenging environment.
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Don't worry about it CJ. Sesame St. has had it covered for a few decades now.

What is all this talk about Back in the, Back when, etc. We're not living in the past. Maybe you are, but discussing Way Back when isn't going to solve any present problems.

Back When, I remember 2 channels. Sat afternoon was Wild World of Sports. I considered myself lucky when I turned it on and they were showing a Snooker Match.
 
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Last year I set a goal to freely help every young player that's interested in improving their game, both mentally and physically. They can develop quickly with guidance because they have the key ingredients - Enthusiasm and Dedication. We're trying to set the sample-example, and hopefully many others will join in - it's a good cause - our Game depends on cooperation to thrive in the future.

This post today on Facebook makes the time, and commitment worthwhile - if anyone has a teenager that's wanting to learn, my time is complimentary and I'm available several hours a week (for groups, and/or private instruction and coaching).

PM me if there's interest, I live in the Dallas/Ft. Worth area and have a private training facility.

What will you do to help develop the next generation of players?

Like the Pledge of Allegiance, it starts with I, and always ends with ALL.

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Well, guys... After a year of playing in pool tournaments... Lots of "2 and outs", frustration, and (even though I don't like to admit it) tears..:sad: I am FINALLY starting to see the fruits of my labor.

At the beginning of last year, I could barely run three balls and, until recently, I never finished better than 5th place.
Wednesday night I took 4th place at the Rusty's Fort Worth tournament.. And last night I took 3rd at JJ's.

Thank you to all of my billiards friends that have offered helpful advice and support. Especially CJ Wiley and Stephen John (Steve Game) who have both helped shape my game and helped me improve so quickly. Couldn't have done any of this without y'all.
Here are my winnings from the tournaments.. $20 and two free one hour pool cards. It's not much but it's a start!! — :thumbup: feeling proud.
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Cami Lane - Representing the New Age of Pool
 
You obviously have the above post copied to a text file, as this isn't the first time that I have read it.

So what about this 630,000 member club that you own. I don't think that I would be fibbing if I said that there are probably more members than myself that would be interested in knowing more.


Pool has a real problem in that it is not at all entertaining. Every shot is not that much different from the last and after a short time the audience has seen enough.

Pool is like a magician who tries to do a 2 hour show but only knows three tricks and he keeps doing the same tricks over and over for 2 hours. To an audience this is what pool is like.
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Wow, I doubt that you will find another Pro that would talk like this about Pool, as you just have.

And, now you are going to change all of this. You said that it was 23 yrs in the making. I don't think that it took them that long to put a man on the moon.

One small step for man. One giant step for Pool Kind.

Lets see what the Fox has to say about this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=jofNR_WkoCE#t=42
 
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Carsons is the name, pool is the game.

Blue Hog ridr said:
You obviously have the above post copied to a text file, as this isn't the first time that I have read it.

So what about this 630,000 member club that you own. I don't think that I would be fibbing if I said that there are probably more members than myself that would be interested in knowing more.
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You might try reading what the thread is about.

Carsons is the name, pool was the Game.

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I have read the Thread, and that is why I made that small observation re your Post.

As I stated, it wasn't the first time that you posted it.

Carsons is the name, pool was the Game.

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One thing that I didn't think this Thread was about was Carson's Night Club.

How is that developing a new generation of Players?
 
I got my start watching "Fats" and Mosconi play on Wide World of Sports

Chrippa said:
Great idea, some of the things I connect to the game also. If you want to build a plattform that is solid you start from the ground up. In other words - the kids, beginning etc.

To get kids to play pool you need to show the parents what they can learn and grow from in a positive way. Give most kids a ball to play with and they have fun, when we have fun we are open and learn the most and in a fast pace.

Goes for adults also, just keep the mindset of younger years when all was possible and you had courage to take a step forward, you will fall learning new things - just nature, get up, wipe the tears and you will soon be running:smile:.

Take care CJ, you are doing some great work navigating on the "table".

Chrippa
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Yes, the entire system will be vertically integrated. The popularity with kids depends solely on the TV coverage, without being involved with a major media source there's little chance of attracting the younger generation.

I got my start watching "Fats" and Mosconi play on Wide World of Sports. Without that influence I doubt if pool would have been taken seriously. I was more into tennis, golf, baseball and basketball, however, pool became bigger in my life after winning the high school national championships in Chicago.
 
CJ Wiley said:
Last year I set a goal to freely help every young player that's interested in improving their game, both mentally and physically.
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There's your problem, champ. No one is interested in pool, outside of people who already play pool.

You have done one thing right. You've made a fool of yourself in front of the entire AzB community.
 
CJ,
Thanks for paying it forward.
I'm not a pro but I will donate money to buy a kid a cue.

John


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lost said:
Teaching a young girl that pool is about playing for money in bars? That's the "new generation of pocket billiard players"?
Thats not exactly what goes on when young people take golf or tennis lessons. Apples and oranges I guess.
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During an interview with Bryant Gumbel, Ditka asked Gumbel if he would want his hypothetical eight-year-old son to play football.

Gumbel responded with a no, and Ditka agreed.

"Nope — and that’s sad," Ditka said in the piece. "I wouldn't. My whole life was football. I think the risk is worse than the reward. I really do."


I don't see Johnny Archer teachin' his kids how to pick up a cue stick.
 
Island Drive said:
During an interview with Bryant Gumbel, Ditka asked Gumbel if he would want his hypothetical eight-year-old son to play football.

Gumbel responded with a no, and Ditka agreed.

"Nope — and that’s sad," Ditka said in the piece. "I wouldn't. My whole life was football. I think the risk is worse than the reward. I really do."


I don't see Johnny Archer teachin' his kids how to pick up a cue stick.
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Not the same thing. They were referring to the injuries that occur in football.

Your logic shows how tightly gripped gambling has on the image of pool. You play pool, you must play for money, drink, and do drugs.

Hence the reason to stop glorifying hustlers, gamblers. The current image of pool does not help.

Pool could be the sport to replace youth football.
 
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