Diamond bar boxes are trash

I got a new diamond. They play good besides banking. They all bank short the ones I've played on which sucks ass.
Dude, when I first started playing on Diamonds, I was like, WTF?? Totally baffled.
GCs are my go to and I'll always have a soft spot in my heart for them. That being said, Diamonds keep me honest. No more cheating a pocket from a diamond above it and shit like that. You gotta stroke em clean on Diamonds. As far as the banking goes, yes, most I've played on Bank Short.
If you're used to loading up the juice, you don't need to on these. Angle and speed is all it takes. Sure you can put run or hold on em, but why if you don't need to?? It took some time to get accustomed to the Diamonds, but - God forbid I can't believe these words are coming out of my mouth - I prefer them now!!
My fave 4 1/2' x 9' table.
 
Never owned a Corvair station wagon or pick-up. In that stage of my life I never looked at anything that didn't go fast. I bought a sixty-five Mustang two plus two from a preacher. The exhause clattered like hell all the way from his house to my service station where I promptly rebuilt the engine. I spent a day or two grinding carbon out of the cylinder heads. 225 horse when I started on the engine, a bunch more when I finished. It would pick up and carry the front wheels with a 3:1 factory rear end. I never got around to putting the rear gears I had for it in it because I never got beaten street racing it against the muscle cars. I had stripped the interior planning to drag race it but NHRA had a big shake up and the only class it would fit even with a lot of work was Gas Altered, a trophy class now! That was when I went circle tracking.

Bobby Allison bought a porsche when they were using them in IROC.. He quickly decided they handled like crap! They stuck until the front end broke loose without warning. Way loose and a bad push! I was into American iron anyway. I was lucky a huge oak limb fell on the Mustang but many of my other cars weren't much safer. The 63 and 66 Corvettes were some of my safer cars.

Jay, I am with you about the 200MPH plus street cars. No place to drive them and it takes skills that toy buyers don't usually have anyway. Aside from that, drivers are overrunning their eyesight. See it all the time on the racetracks now. Speeds so high that you can only clearly see other cars moving at your speed. No chance to dodge anything sitting still or moving slowly. One reason for the death of almost no rules sprint car racing in the world of outlaws. At 150 plus on the one mile dirt tracks the reaction time became impossible. Trouble at the other end of a straight and you were in a wreck before you could react. Too, the tour cars couldn't beat the eastern big blocks!

About that Diamond table: You encounter so many in the wild these days that it's best to consider the way they bank as the new normal and make adjustments from your normal bank angles for other tables. I found that they bank pretty well in very dry climates, much shorter in very humid places even with climate control. Unless the rails need torquing down the Diamond banks very consistently which is about all that can be hoped for. I don't look forward to different tables everywhere you go. I do look forward to Diamond having some sales competition. I think current prices are very close to rape.

Hu
If you grew up in the 60s and 70s and didn't have at least one car you tried to build and race, either street or track, something was wrong w you!! Garlits started that rear engine stuff. Mongoose and Snake?? Anybody??
My baby was a '70 Challenger. Big brother had one that he let me ride around in with him and drink beer at 12, so natch, I had to have one and over build the crap out of it. Girlfriends don't take kindly to the competition. Lol. All my extra coin went into my beast.
Go down to the airport and top off the tank (after putting ten gals of Sunoco 260 in it) w cessna fuel at 160 octane or some shit. Then we headed for the straight strips of Earth City.
Perfect 1/8ths and 1/4ths (Quarters.)
Many a title changed hands there over the years!!
Uh oh. I'm doing the old man reminiscing thing again.
Better grab my meds. Lol.
Thanks to all you guys for posting and ringing my recollection bell!!👍🏻
 
If you grew up in the 60s and 70s and didn't have at least one car you tried to build and race, either street or track, something was wrong w you!! Garlits started that rear engine stuff. Mongoose and Snake?? Anybody??
My baby was a '70 Challenger. Big brother had one that he let me ride around in with him and drink beer at 12, so natch, I had to have one and over build the crap out of it. Girlfriends don't take kindly to the competition. Lol. All my extra coin went into my beast.
Go down to the airport and top off the tank (after putting ten gals of Sunoco 260 in it) w cessna fuel at 160 octane or some shit. Then we headed for the straight strips of Earth City.
Perfect 1/8ths and 1/4ths (Quarters.)
Many a title changed hands there over the years!!
Uh oh. I'm doing the old man reminiscing thing again.
Better grab my meds. Lol.
Thanks to all you guys for posting and ringing my recollection bell!!👍🏻
Mine was a 69 GTO with a 400. Auto tranny but it had a shift kit. My two best friends had a Mustang with a 289 and a Ford Galaxy 500 with a hopped up 351. I usually got them in the quarter mile but we were always close. That Pony car amazed me more than a few times, small engine but not much weight. Always tough off the line.
 
The great Porsche 911 is still a death machine if you don't understand a lil physics and vehicle dynamics. Having all that engine weight at the ass-end creates what guys like Jewett would call a ' high polar moment of inertia' aka the car will swap ends in a heartbeat if the brakes are applied in cornering. The new models have all kinds of electronic gizmos to 'reduce' this but its still a thing. Older models were nuts. A LOT of people died or were hurt bad when the Turbo first came out in '76. If you weren't aware of how these HAD to be driven they would and did kill people. All this being said if you drove them with the loud pedal kinda like a sprint-car they were fun as shit. Power-on oversteer thru a corner at 80+ in a 911 was/is fun as hell.
This is why top gear always says old super cars and sports cars were more fun. They may have not been quite as fast but they didn’t have any computers saving you from doing something stupid lol
 
I talked to D'mond about pricing and they said they kept them as close to same as long as possible. Small bumps in price but reasonable. Then came covid and everything changed as well all well know. They told me every single part/component price skyrocket as did shipping/ins/etc. Didn't seem to hurt their biz any, you gotta get in line to get new ones and used ones can be hard to find.
Funny you mentioned that. I got my Diamond Professional delivered right at the start of covid, in fact it was the first day our Govenor shut down the state freeways to nonessential travel starting at 8am. My dealer left his town at 3:30 am to make sure he got to me before 8. You were free to return home after that but not go anywhere.
Anyway as to pricing and covid, my same professional table jumped in price about $2500 right after it was delivered. Now it's close to 4k more than I paid. Good timing for me I guess.
 
If you grew up in the 60s and 70s and didn't have at least one car you tried to build and race, either street or track, something was wrong w you!! Garlits started that rear engine stuff. Mongoose and Snake?? Anybody??
My baby was a '70 Challenger. Big brother had one that he let me ride around in with him and drink beer at 12, so natch, I had to have one and over build the crap out of it. Girlfriends don't take kindly to the competition. Lol. All my extra coin went into my beast.
Go down to the airport and top off the tank (after putting ten gals of Sunoco 260 in it) w cessna fuel at 160 octane or some shit. Then we headed for the straight strips of Earth City.
Perfect 1/8ths and 1/4ths (Quarters.)
Many a title changed hands there over the years!!
Uh oh. I'm doing the old man reminiscing thing again.
Better grab my meds. Lol.
Thanks to all you guys for posting and ringing my recollection bell!!👍🏻

A couple of title stories. A man with a new Olds 442 and a guy with a lightly built '57 Chevy were going to race title for title. They went to one of the local measured quarter mile street spots and gave the two titles to a friend of mine to hold. My friend was on the smallish size and he realized there was gonna be one pissed off camper when the race was over. He gave the titles to somebody else to hold and got out of dodge.

A young man came into my station and noticed my old battered 57 dirt car sitting in my work stall. He asked if I wanted to race title for title. I said sure but we would have to go to the drag strip. He said listen to this and fired up his Nova SS. 283 with maybe a four barrel, factory cam, headers. I was feeling kind hearted so I took him
A little late to the 'party' but my high school yearbook ('69) was dedicated to one of our almost graduates that died in a Corvair with her boyfriend while "parking" during the winter with the engine running, both of them.

BTW: I lost my 1st street drag to a Corvair Spyder, who ever heard of turbo-charged stock American in 1969?? o_O

Another long car post. Totally off topic.

One of life's most embarrassing moments, street racing. Everybody was doing it. I had just gotten my license and was driving the family hand me down. Fairlane with a 289 and a C4 tranny. The police had cracked down on street racing, a few deaths too close together.

I am sitting at the redlight when a 283 Impala pulls up beside me. Zun, zun, the Chevy driver revs his motor. Why not? My first drag race of any kind. The light turned green and we both launched! Zun, zun, the zun, zun, zun! A cop turned left across the lanes we were in and didn't even notice we were drag racing! We shut down and went on our merry way. I had been leading but that was too embarrassing to call a race!

My little Mustang didn't have a top end when I got it built. The three to one rear gears already mentioned, and I stabilized the valves and timing chain. I was driving to the vo-tech one morning when a Chevy with a 396 wanted to race. OK, let's go! We touched off from a rolling start, about twenty. Instead of blowing his doors off I matched him side to side on the four lane in the middle of Baton Rouge.

Got up to ninety-five and that big block Chevy started to clatter. I blew the horn a few times until he looked over. When he did I shifted down in to fourth and motioned lets go! He shook his head and shut down. I could peg the speedometer in third at about 125. Shifting into high gear was just for show.

There was a side oiler overhead cam 427 Ford in town. This was the Nascar engine that shut down the factories. Nascar said enough. Chrysler had all of the parts to build a double overhead cam 426 the factory teams were monsters. If you didn't have a factory connection you couldn't run with them, they had too much better components. That 427 Ford was rated at 735 horsepower from the factory. The 427 vette was rated very low from the factory, putting out closer to 500HP depending on who's dyno you put it on. Anyway, I admittedly sidestepped the SOHC Ford. They only rolled it out of the garage for serious coin and I had serious doubts about beating it!

There was also a mystery engine Chevelle in town. FX car, it had a big big block in it a year or two before the first of the big block engines were put in cars in dealers' showrooms. Something over 427 inches, nothing known about it. Chevy released the first 396 a year or two later but those cars were nothing compared to that Chevelle. It had a cute set of lights to tell you when to shift too. They ran the Chevelle against a new 327 injected Corvette rated at 375HP. A rich kid owned the vette and his dad had to approve the race running title for title. It wasn't any contest. Cubic inches beats anything but cubic dollars!

I found one of the 427 Fords in the crate at a mechanic shop up the road from me. I offered two grand which was more than most cars cost then but no dice. The owner knew those engines were discontinued and he had his own plans for it.

The days of guts and gory, errrr, glory. I knew a guy with two big burn scars on his head, perfectly the same burns centered on his temples. He had built a 396 and went to test it. Somebody sent him to the wrong street, this one ended at a huge concrete lined canal. He was going so fast at night that he never saw the barricade and warning signs. He made like a birdie and hit the concrete wall at the far side of the canal WFO! Threw him and the engine out of the car. When they found him about fifteen minutes later his head was wedged between two header pipes cooking nicely on the canal bank. He and the engine had both been slung out of the car and somehow got together. Surprisingly he lived and had minimum brain damage.

I saw many wrecks and it was more amazing how many people lived through ridiculous crashes than those that died. When I had my wrecker service I went to pick up a LTD. I had to set the engine and transmission back in it, so many loose pieces I couldn't fit them on the wrecker and in the car, I had to call for another truck! Never found the radiator or battery, somebody grabbed them for scrap before I got there. The two boys in the car were knocked out but had woken up by the time they got to the hospital! No major dents or dings on the boys and after a good looking over they went home.

I have an immense respect for trees, they can be very strong!

Hu
 
Funny you mentioned that. I got my Diamond Professional delivered right at the start of covid, in fact it was the first day our Govenor shut down the state freeways to nonessential travel starting at 8am. My dealer left his town at 3:30 am to make sure he got to me before 8. You were free to return home after that but not go anywhere.
Anyway as to pricing and covid, my same professional table jumped in price about $2500 right after it was delivered. Now it's close to 4k more than I paid. Good timing for me I guess.
A local place bought over 14 new ones just before covid. Saved them a major wad of $$.
 
i was there when big daddy don garlits broke the 200 mph 1/4 mile at island speedway in great meadows n.j. 1964

i ran my chevy there but came about last in my class of j stock auto.

One of my neighbors spent two or three years building his NHRA stock Camaro. Got it down to bare frame and unibody. Had those sandblasted and lightened then rebuilt the car with hard rubber or plastic everywhere soft rubber was supposed to be. Balanced and blueprinted the engine, tricked out everything on the car.

When he was through that thing was a second and a half or two seconds faster than factory stock straight off of the dealer's floor. I think the Buick GS's were eating up stock classes at the time. He blew them away and everything else. Won the Cajun Nationals and the National Championship
while he was at it.

That Camaro was NHRA legal but about as factory as Grumpy's Toy!

Hu-
 
Dude, when I first started playing on Diamonds, I was like, WTF?? Totally baffled.
GCs are my go to and I'll always have a soft spot in my heart for them. That being said, Diamonds keep me honest. No more cheating a pocket from a diamond above it and shit like that. You gotta stroke em clean on Diamonds. As far as the banking goes, yes, most I've played on Bank Short.
If you're used to loading up the juice, you don't need to on these. Angle and speed is all it takes. Sure you can put run or hold on em, but why if you don't need to?? It took some time to get accustomed to the Diamonds, but - God forbid I can't believe these words are coming out of my mouth - I prefer them now!!
My fave 4 1/2' x 9' table.
Diamonds do play slightly different, but the vast majority of them play the same. Consistency is what counts. The people that cry about them simply refuse to adjust.
 
its not that they play badly. it is that they play differently than all the tables of the past.

if you play on them all the time you adjust naturally. but if you come and go then you have a small problem to figure out each time

but overall they are top quality tables. but all brands are going to be somewhat different.
 
i was also at long island speedway when he was the first to break 8 seconds i think it was 8 in a dragster.
funny cars went faster then.

he will be king of the quarter mile forever.
 
Mine was a 69 GTO with a 400. Auto tranny but it had a shift kit. My two best friends had a Mustang with a 289 and a Ford Galaxy 500 with a hopped up 351. I usually got them in the quarter mile but we were always close. That Pony car amazed me more than a few times, small engine but not much weight. Always tough off the line.
The 351 Cleveland was the go to. Those Windsors were dogs. Goats. Gotta love 'em!!
Shift kits were all the rage until guys started showing up w stall speeds and Dana rear ends.
 
This is why top gear always says old super cars and sports cars were more fun. They may have not been quite as fast but they didn’t have any computers saving you from doing something stupid lol
I'm amazed at the number of is that made it thru. Especially when alcohol got tossed in the mix!! Thank God for Pittsburgh Steel!!👍🏻
 
A couple of title stories. A man with a new Olds 442 and a guy with a lightly built '57 Chevy were going to race title for title. They went to one of the local measured quarter mile street spots and gave the two titles to a friend of mine to hold. My friend was on the smallish size and he realized there was gonna be one pissed off camper when the race was over. He gave the titles to somebody else to hold and got out of dodge.

A young man came into my station and noticed my old battered 57 dirt car sitting in my work stall. He asked if I wanted to race title for title. I said sure but we would have to go to the drag strip. He said listen to this and fired up his Nova SS. 283 with maybe a four barrel, factory cam, headers. I was feeling kind hearted so I took him


Another long car post. Totally off topic.

One of life's most embarrassing moments, street racing. Everybody was doing it. I had just gotten my license and was driving the family hand me down. Fairlane with a 289 and a C4 tranny. The police had cracked down on street racing, a few deaths too close together.

I am sitting at the redlight when a 283 Impala pulls up beside me. Zun, zun, the Chevy driver revs his motor. Why not? My first drag race of any kind. The light turned green and we both launched! Zun, zun, the zun, zun, zun! A cop turned left across the lanes we were in and didn't even notice we were drag racing! We shut down and went on our merry way. I had been leading but that was too embarrassing to call a race!

My little Mustang didn't have a top end when I got it built. The three to one rear gears already mentioned, and I stabilized the valves and timing chain. I was driving to the vo-tech one morning when a Chevy with a 396 wanted to race. OK, let's go! We touched off from a rolling start, about twenty. Instead of blowing his doors off I matched him side to side on the four lane in the middle of Baton Rouge.

Got up to ninety-five and that big block Chevy started to clatter. I blew the horn a few times until he looked over. When he did I shifted down in to fourth and motioned lets go! He shook his head and shut down. I could peg the speedometer in third at about 125. Shifting into high gear was just for show.

There was a side oiler overhead cam 427 Ford in town. This was the Nascar engine that shut down the factories. Nascar said enough. Chrysler had all of the parts to build a double overhead cam 426 the factory teams were monsters. If you didn't have a factory connection you couldn't run with them, they had too much better components. That 427 Ford was rated at 735 horsepower from the factory. The 427 vette was rated very low from the factory, putting out closer to 500HP depending on who's dyno you put it on. Anyway, I admittedly sidestepped the SOHC Ford. They only rolled it out of the garage for serious coin and I had serious doubts about beating it!

There was also a mystery engine Chevelle in town. FX car, it had a big big block in it a year or two before the first of the big block engines were put in cars in dealers' showrooms. Something over 427 inches, nothing known about it. Chevy released the first 396 a year or two later but those cars were nothing compared to that Chevelle. It had a cute set of lights to tell you when to shift too. They ran the Chevelle against a new 327 injected Corvette rated at 375HP. A rich kid owned the vette and his dad had to approve the race running title for title. It wasn't any contest. Cubic inches beats anything but cubic dollars!

I found one of the 427 Fords in the crate at a mechanic shop up the road from me. I offered two grand which was more than most cars cost then but no dice. The owner knew those engines were discontinued and he had his own plans for it.

The days of guts and gory, errrr, glory. I knew a guy with two big burn scars on his head, perfectly the same burns centered on his temples. He had built a 396 and went to test it. Somebody sent him to the wrong street, this one ended at a huge concrete lined canal. He was going so fast at night that he never saw the barricade and warning signs. He made like a birdie and hit the concrete wall at the far side of the canal WFO! Threw him and the engine out of the car. When they found him about fifteen minutes later his head was wedged between two header pipes cooking nicely on the canal bank. He and the engine had both been slung out of the car and somehow got together. Surprisingly he lived and had minimum brain damage.

I saw many wrecks and it was more amazing how many people lived through ridiculous crashes than those that died. When I had my wrecker service I went to pick up a LTD. I had to set the engine and transmission back in it, so many loose pieces I couldn't fit them on the wrecker and in the car, I had to call for another truck! Never found the radiator or battery, somebody grabbed them for scrap before I got there. The two boys in the car were knocked out but had woken up by the time they got to the hospital! No major dents or dings on the boys and after a good looking over they went home.

I have an immense respect for trees, they can be very strong!

Hu
I think it was Hertz or maybe Avis car rental company that quit renting the Shelby Cobras bcuz guts were renting them over the weekends and swapping out the engines to get one of those 429 Cobra jets.
 
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