Yes, your table can be updated to play like a new Diamond....what area are we talking about?
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Yes, your table can be updated to play like a new Diamond....what area are we talking about?
Easy to change out the complete rail set, unless you table has a ball return, Diamond can give you the details of the exchange if you'd like. Call Aaron at 812-288-7665 ask for Aaron. Unless your calling the cushions the rails, in which case....you'd be better off meeting me at the border with your rails, and I'd work on them there in my trailer/shop....next summer or there abouts.
Glen
Yeah, it is the cushions.I will send you an email. Cheers
If the cushions are bad, then this is a much older Diamond. Just changing the cushion is not going to make the table play like the newer blue lable rails. To make it play that way, the sub-rails are going to have to be redesigned as well.
We have two Blue Label 7fts here in so cal for sale. Both are in excellent condition and are in storage. Make me an offer.. New they run $5,200 + Shipping from Indiana + TAX. Well kick em both out for 8K with a set of Super Pros for each.
Here at Bull Shooters in Phoenix, we have a 5-year-old Diamond Pro-Am that was originally used in a professional tournament before making its way to our fair city. It has been recovered twice since being in Bull Shooters; once by me, and once by Zack, a young man trained by RKC.
Yesterday, I decide to compare the bank angles on our Diamond to those on a Gold Crown 3 that sits adjacent to the Diamond, and has the same cloth, of about the same age, on it. I set up identical shots on each table, and shot each of them numerous times at identical speeds. Each time, the Diamond banked short, and the GC banked true.
Roger
Yesterday, I decide to compare the bank angles on our Diamond to those on a Gold Crown 3 that sits adjacent to the Diamond, and has the same cloth, of about the same age, on it. I set up identical shots on each table, and shot each of them numerous times at identical speeds. Each time, the Diamond banked short, and the GC banked true.
Roger
Perform the same test at Skip & Jan's, you'll get a different result, because all the work performed there was by the same person, Zach. To compare a red lable Diamond, which no longer represents the Diamond tables being built today, against a 30+ year old GC3 that has had the cushions changed on it, so it to also does not represent the Brunswick GC5's being built today in my opionion hold no real comparison facts about either table being sold today.
Glen
Was it raining, were the balls polisher, was the moon full?:scratchhead:
Roger, the point that I was making was that the Diamond you did the bank test on has the out dated rail design, being compared to an old, altered GC3:thumbup: So the point was, by all means run tests on how the Diamonds bank against a newer Diamond as well as a newer Brunswick, I'd be interested in hearing about your results between tbe newer tables, as they have way more impact with your test results that way, it might even help some people to decide which table they may be interested in buying down the road a ways, I know how you like doing them tests:thumbup:
Glen
Don't worry if all this talk is over your head, i know how easy you can get lost in a conversation
We played on a Centennial, I think all except one 9 footer are those in that room. Do they have a "special" one there?
JC
Coos Cues
I find the newer blue label diamonds still bank shorter than the GCs, Especially at speed. It takes a lot of English and speed to get the cue ball to reverse much off the second rail of my GC. All it takes on a diamond is speed and maybe a touch of English. This is not necessarily a bad thing but it's banking shorter none the less and takes a bit to adjust to.
JC
I got a call from Greg Sullivan last night. At first, I thought he may have been wanting to dispute the findings of my test, or to maybe complain that he saw my post as a negative report on Diamond tables. I was wrong. Actually, Greg was quite complimentary of Gold Crown tables, particularly the older ones that had the original Brunswick Super Speed rubber on them. He also acknowledged that Diamonds and Gold Crowns play differently, and did so without making any declarations as to which play is actually the best. Greg seems to realize that "best" can be a subjective matter, particularly when you're talking about pool players' preferences.
No, the reason for Greg's call was to question me on the speed-of-stroke that I used in my testing, and exactly what I meant in using the terms "short" and "true." After a brief explanation from Greg, I was able to understand his reason for asking, and I am now in complete agreement with him. You see, Greg is a person who wants to provide his customers with tables that play right, but first, "right" needs to be clearly defined. Greg feels that cushion rubber plays a huge role in the play of any table, so he wants to provide the best rubber possible on his tables. He also seemed to feel that even the best rubber being produced today is not as good as it could be, but before he can go to the manufacturers and tell them what he wants, he has to be able to explain to them exactly what is required. And terms like "short" and "true" have no meaning with the rubber manufacturers; so Greg needs numbers. So Greg's call was really just to ask me if I would help him come up with some numbers that would better define test results. To that, I say GLADLY! :thumbup:
As a personal comment, I'd like to say that I like both the Diamond and Gold Crown tables. If one banks a little shorter or longer than the other, it makes no difference to me; I can adjust after a little play on each. But, I'm not a professional player, so that's not a big issue with me. However, I do realize that in a professional tournament, you would like to have every table play consistently the same. To that end, I think the Diamond Pro Am is the best table available.
My hat is off to Greg Sullivan for his hard work and dedication to our sport. We need more people like him in the industry.
Roger
Thank you for this post Roger. See, I wasn't trying to argue with you and my posts were for information purposes only:thumbup:
ok, So I'm a little confused.
Usually I play a 7 ft table for a few days, then it comes around to playing on the Diamond. YES ! It always comes up a lil short. (maybe an inch or so). It is hard to tell if it is speed because I feel I am "on" concerning speed on the Diamond.
Is it safe to assume it is perception that makes me think it is speed in the sense that I just came off of the smaller tables?
Perhaps it is the construction or material used in the rails of the two tables ?? :shrug:
It is just a little frustrating to hit an OB onna Diamond that you are sure will drop , only to watch it bounce short on the cushion. :frown:
Ivory Billiards
I believe there is a mix of Centennials and Anniversaries there concerning the 9ft'ers. The 7 ft tables are around the perimeter ,and in the back. That "tweeked" table is right in the middle of the poolroom.
I believe there is a mix of Centennials and Anniversaries there concerning the 9ft'ers. The 7 ft tables are around the perimeter ,and in the back. That "tweeked" table is right in the middle of the poolroom.