Diamond Pooltables
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I play regularly on both 9 ft. Diamonds or GCIV's. All in excellent condition.
I love both table models. Here are some pro's and con's for the Diamond.
Diamond Cons: Tough, deep cut pockets; not a great table for casual players. Pocket liner that can leave hellacious black marks on the balls.
Diamond Pros (pun intended): Tough, deep cut pockets; great table for the serious player. Good rails. A company owner (Greg Sullivan) that loves and supports the game (ie puts on the DCC).
I love both table models. Here are some pro's and con's for the Diamond.
Diamond Cons: Tough, deep cut pockets; not a great table for casual players. Pocket liner that can leave hellacious black marks on the balls.
Diamond Pros (pun intended): Tough, deep cut pockets; great table for the serious player. Good rails. A company owner (Greg Sullivan) that loves and supports the game (ie puts on the DCC).
I used to be a Gold Crown fan, but not anymore. I love Diamond Pro's now. Diamond's are a girl's best friend, LOL.
I really like the flat pockets so that you don't have to jack up or scrape your stick, the ball separator, the wide space below to get your balls out, the tight pockets, the nice compartment for the rack, (if you take the rack out, you can see with a flashlight where the balls hang up, if they ever do) they roll true, they bank true, and the Diamond light is the best in the industry.
I really like the flat pockets so that you don't have to jack up or scrape your stick, the ball separator, the wide space below to get your balls out, the tight pockets, the nice compartment for the rack, (if you take the rack out, you can see with a flashlight where the balls hang up, if they ever do) they roll true, they bank true, and the Diamond light is the best in the industry.
rackmsuckr said:
Out of curiosity, how much would it set you back to get a basic 9' diamond pro with simonis, including delivery and professional installation? How much for the light on top of that? I live in an apartment right now, so it's not an option, but as soon as I get a house I'm going to start saving and shopping for a table, and I'll strongly consider the diamond pro.
-Andrew
I can't add much more about the Diamond Table than what's already been said. I have a 9ft. Diamond Pro Model w/ the tournament light. The pockets are cut deep and I also have the Pro Cut Pockets which are 4 1/2 inchs two balls side by side will not slide all the way into the corner pockets till they drop they lock up about 1/2 way in.
Very well constructed, 1-1/4 inch slate, rolls straight and true, no roll off. Rails are fast action. If your serious about your game, this table will only make you better.
Hope this helps.
Black Cat
Very well constructed, 1-1/4 inch slate, rolls straight and true, no roll off. Rails are fast action. If your serious about your game, this table will only make you better.
Hope this helps.
Black Cat
Andrew Manning said:
$6000.00 Table plus matching tournament light, cue rack, brush, 2 cues, also includes deliverey charge and setup.
Black Cat
Diamond
I absolutely love my Diamond Pro. The only thing I have against them is that I have had numerous balls bounce out of the pockets. They hit the back of the pocket, fall down, and bounce out. Besides that, they are worth every penny invested.
Look for a used table. They are high quality tables and I think you can get a pretty good deal on a used one.
I absolutely love my Diamond Pro. The only thing I have against them is that I have had numerous balls bounce out of the pockets. They hit the back of the pocket, fall down, and bounce out. Besides that, they are worth every penny invested.
Look for a used table. They are high quality tables and I think you can get a pretty good deal on a used one.
Advantage Diamond
I think several years ago Diamond surpassed Brunswick Gold Crowns for serious players. Brunswick even tried to make a Diamond copy a few years back that just screamed copycat. Diamond tables are tougher to play on, making you a better player. They stay level longer than the new GC4 tables. We do service calls a lot on the new GC4 because of this new micro-adjustment leveling system they have now. You can get the GC4 absolutely perfect, but they get out of adjustment very quickly resulting in more service calls to your table. The pockets are cut very deep which make it difficult to get a ball out of if you are playing one pocket. That is about the only complaint I have ever heard about the new Diamonds. Also...the new Dymondwood rail material is practically fireproof (cigarrette burns) and ding proof. For the extra cash..I think about $500. It is well worth it. If Diamonds were double the price of a GC4 I would still buy a Diamond without hesitation. I really think Greg Sullivan and Diamond are years ahead in the market right now. Just my opinion for a mediocre player.
Craig.
"Mediocre" is probably an exaggeration of my pool ability.
I think several years ago Diamond surpassed Brunswick Gold Crowns for serious players. Brunswick even tried to make a Diamond copy a few years back that just screamed copycat. Diamond tables are tougher to play on, making you a better player. They stay level longer than the new GC4 tables. We do service calls a lot on the new GC4 because of this new micro-adjustment leveling system they have now. You can get the GC4 absolutely perfect, but they get out of adjustment very quickly resulting in more service calls to your table. The pockets are cut very deep which make it difficult to get a ball out of if you are playing one pocket. That is about the only complaint I have ever heard about the new Diamonds. Also...the new Dymondwood rail material is practically fireproof (cigarrette burns) and ding proof. For the extra cash..I think about $500. It is well worth it. If Diamonds were double the price of a GC4 I would still buy a Diamond without hesitation. I really think Greg Sullivan and Diamond are years ahead in the market right now. Just my opinion for a mediocre player.
Craig.
"Mediocre" is probably an exaggeration of my pool ability.
Diamond Pro
I would go with the Diamond pro with diamond wood rails. They play great.
Steve
I would go with the Diamond pro with diamond wood rails. They play great.
Steve
It is a bit off topic here. Can someone verify this for me? I think on the coin opt, the Gabriel table has a ball return system which is much more sophisticated than that of the Diamond smart table. It has something to do with how many times the balls will be scanned and how the yellow ball would not be mistaken as the cue ball when the cue ball is dirty.
Going back to topic, I personally like the one piece slate of the Diamond because it is so easy and fast to set up. They also have a stystem to level the table really quickly. I am not sure if Gabriel has that.
Since most tournaments in the US are playing on Diamond, I just think it would make everything easier if you buy a Diamond. Just my 2 cents.
Richard
Going back to topic, I personally like the one piece slate of the Diamond because it is so easy and fast to set up. They also have a stystem to level the table really quickly. I am not sure if Gabriel has that.
Since most tournaments in the US are playing on Diamond, I just think it would make everything easier if you buy a Diamond. Just my 2 cents.
Richard
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Andrew Manning said:
I deal with diamond tables and it will run you roughly around $5000 for the table. Might can work a better deal if you need. The diamond light runs around $500. Just an estimate and a lot about the price is where you are located how many , etc. I get the supplies for the table at really good deals with some of my sponsors for the tour.
Kay
Gold Crowns have been my favorite table since I began playing 40 years ago. They are a great table, but not without flaws. I never could understand why they used raised metal frames on the corners. They've always been an irritation. And the models that use a form of black rubber for the pocket rims (GCIII's, I believe) that leaves marks on your cue that seem to impregnate the shaft irritate me to no end.
For the past month I've been playing on a friend's Diamond ProAm 9'. It has the Diamond Wood rails, flat leather pocket liners, one piece slate, very quiet and efficient ball return (we play straight pool on it, so the ball return is great), and it's beautiful. This table, without question, is the best table on the market. It's exceptionally well made, elegantly styled, and an absolute pleasure to play on. The pockets, as someone else mentioned, are challenging, but fair. Don't expect to bank balls down the rails and have them go in.
Diamond had some problems with their earlier tables, but from what I've seen of the ProAm they have fixed nearly all of them (same as Pro model, but with single piece slate and ball return being the differences), and the result illustrates Diamond's commitment to improvement and excellence. It is an absolute pleasure to play on. It is a no brainer better choice than a GC--better value, better service and significantly better table.
For the past month I've been playing on a friend's Diamond ProAm 9'. It has the Diamond Wood rails, flat leather pocket liners, one piece slate, very quiet and efficient ball return (we play straight pool on it, so the ball return is great), and it's beautiful. This table, without question, is the best table on the market. It's exceptionally well made, elegantly styled, and an absolute pleasure to play on. The pockets, as someone else mentioned, are challenging, but fair. Don't expect to bank balls down the rails and have them go in.
Diamond had some problems with their earlier tables, but from what I've seen of the ProAm they have fixed nearly all of them (same as Pro model, but with single piece slate and ball return being the differences), and the result illustrates Diamond's commitment to improvement and excellence. It is an absolute pleasure to play on. It is a no brainer better choice than a GC--better value, better service and significantly better table.
PoolSleuth
Banned
It is rumored that nothing is better than a Diamond. I have played on one once, and saw nothing different than a Brunswick Gold Crown. But you are, or should I say I was compairing the BEST with the BEST...
Love The Diamond Table!
Williebetmore said:
Man, you hit that on the head, especially for the Diamond. It took me a good while to figure out how the balls were picking up the black marks! Any solutions? And, you're also correct about the playability, not for a casual player who desires to maintain any dignity or confidence
pool4life
Registered
I bought a new Diamond pro 9' about 6 months ago and totally love it. I was going to buy a gold crown, but couldnt see dishing out $7800 when I could have a Diamond delivered for just under $5000. The one thing that I wish diamond would do is go to a leveling system like the new gold crowns so you dont have to use shims. I have the 3 piece slate, and have noticed that the last month or so that the oak shims are harded then the frame of the table, causing the shims to sink slightly into the frame. If I had to do it all over again I would buy one of the US Open tables with the 1 piece slate for $4200.
rikdee said:Man, you hit that on the head, especially for the Diamond. It took me a good while to figure out how the balls were picking up the black marks! Any solutions? And, you're also correct about the playability, not for a casual player who desires to maintain any dignity or confidence
rik,
I have NO IDEA how to fix this. When I go to my friend's house (with the Diamond) I take my ball washer and polish the balls before playing (a Mr. Clean Magic Eraser also works), just to get the annoying black marks off. But even after a couple of hours, the marks are back.
Also a clarification on the Diamond tables, at least by my best recollection. The coin-op tables are one piece slate, but the home tables that I've seen are 3-piece slate.
Also a clarification on the GC's (I have a GCIV) - I love them also. With double shimmed pockets they play easier than the Diamond (but just a little), then when the cloth ages, they are pretty close. The annoying raised metal edges, and crappy raised black rubber of the GCIII that Ted Kaufman mentioned (too true) is GONE, problem fixed on the GCIV.
I've had an Ohlhausen with leather pockets and the GCIV with plastic pockets (I put sponges in the pocket bottoms); but overall I kind of like the leather pocket sound the best (little block of wood in the bottom of a leather pocket is best). Diamond has leather with no wood block, sounds okay.
