All pool tables of the same brand and model that have the same exact material and specs .
So, now when someone orders a Blue Label Diamond, they'd need to call you if they only play 14.1 because it needs your modification ?
OK, I'll bite.
WHY????
Diamond Pro-Am Cushion Height?
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All pool tables of the same brand and model that have the same exact material and specs .
So, now when someone orders a Blue Label Diamond, they'd need to call you if they only play 14.1 because it needs your modification ?
OK, I'll bite.
WHY????
Because pool table manufactures can't custom design their rails to play any different than the moulder has been designed to make their stock setting, that's why, if you were smarter than you'd like to think you are, you wouldn't have made such a statement!!
Johnnybgood
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Oh, wow.
That does not answer the question.
If someone gets a Blue Label Diamond table and plays 14.1 like Stan.
WHAT's WRONG WITH THE STOCK setting?
It's just like with cloth, 760 is a much better cloth for playing 14.1 banks, and 8 ball on, whereas 860 is more appropriate for playjng 9 ball, 10 ball, & one pocket.....but you wouldn't understand the reason why!!!
Do pro baseball players use aluminum bats ?
Are the field dimensions for college baseball same as major leagues' ?
Still does not answer the question why anyone with a Blue Label YOU DESIGNED needs you in his house to modify the table if he plays 14.1 instead of 9-ball.
Why would i lower myself to your level, and explain something to you that you wouldn't have the comprehension to understand?
Ah, the good ole cop-out.
I can't wait for the next label.
The White 14.1 label tables.
When Marks does his anniversary tables, I wonder if he has 9-ball and 14.1 models too.
No, he don't have different models, but yes, he can custom build a 9ft to play 14.1 in particular upon request, he knows how to....LMAO
Dear Cobra, You know I don't like diamond's ball rebound off the cushion, and we see each other on every one of these threads. But, I'd like to comment on what you wrote here.
1) You mention here the positional importance of the body of the cushion with respect to the nose of the cushion. You can easily show that in a geometrically accurate drawing. Just like bradsh98 in this thread posted. (Assuming all of his cushion and rail profiles ARE correct). That is quantifiable. There could be a linear dimension behind the nose, in a chosen direction. Maybe that direction is parallel to the slate. Or maybe it is in some other direction deemed more appropriate. Or there could be an area dimension of the cushion behind the nose. The point is, you can quantify the "meat" behind the nose using drawings like the OP posted. Yet, you blast him and say "he knows nothing". Instead, why don't you work with him, and put your knowledge of "what plays the best" into a drawing that is quantifiable. A picture is worth 1000 words.
2) You "rebuilt" Stans Diamond table TWICE!? That is another PRO player who had a problem with Diamond cushions. What was his problem with the original ones? Did they rot out? Or were they in good condition, but he did not like the play? Were his original ones red or blue (before you touched them).
3) He did not like them AFTER you cobrasized them. How can that be? You claim on here for years your rails play the best and you never have a dissatisfied customer.
4) More excuses for Diamond tables: he is a straight pool player, and not a 9 ball player. Therefore cushions need to be different. Come on, you can really say that with a straight face?!?!? Did Sigel and Varner play the best 9 ball, AND, straight pool, AND bank pool, AND one pocket, the world has ever seen, on Gold Crown tables with the SAME cushions for all the games?
5) You claim you and Mark are the only people on the planet who understand the importance of the "meat" of the cushion behind the nose. And that even Diamond and Brunswick do not. That might be, but it is not because other people are stupid, or "don't know what they are talking about", or, because they are "mechanical engineers". Its simply opportunity. Who else has the opportunity to try 10 different wood angles, 10 different cushions, etc. Only a manufacturer really can go that extent, or someone like you or Mark who its their passion.
Did Brunswick do all of that RD work 60 years ago? Who knows. Probably no one alive today. Unless there is a written record of that in the engineering books at Brunswick still around somewhere.
6. More excuses: from the past, you claimed diamond tables need polished balls to play their best. John Schmidt also on this forum said the same. While that might be true, why is that? Gold Crowns play fine with polished centennials, and also garbage dirty, scratched up, chinese balls.
7. Back to the GC, no one complains about how the rails bounce, UNLESS the cushion went to shit. The GC cushions have been fine for 20 years now, and have a very long life expectancy. We all know for a few years, super speed cushions were garbage, while Brunswick was looking for a new supplier for the cushions. Maybe that is why Diamond went with Artemis. But, in 20 or 30 years or however long Diamond has been making tables, the rail bounce has consistently been the number one complaint. By bangers like me. And by pros, like Archer, Owen, and by everyone in between. Players don't complain about GC bounce. So, after all of these years, why in the world does Diamond not simply copy 100% the wood geometry of the GC, and go to the same company (even if Chinese) and buy the exact same super speed cushion, and simply put their logo on the cushion and not Brunswick's. If the cushion company is Chinese, I promise you, they will have absolutely no problem doing that.
This isn't rocket science!
Freaking merry go round.
Apparently, it's BEYOND rocket science.
Good Lord. The flip-flopping and foot in the mouth disease.
And he doesn't get it .
LMAO.
Wait, another LMAO.
He don't have different models .
Let me take a wild guess, he doesn't need to.
The cushion setting is fine for 9-ball or 14.1 or banks or one-pocket.
And nobody has complained it's bad for 14.1 or one-pocket.
Why should i explain myself anymore than i already have to people that are never going to understand anyway!!!
Glen, I'm not disagreeing with you I like tight tables but historically the reason tables were designed harder for pros than amateurs was so that people who couldn't play a lick could make balls and think they could play, plus for the coin op tables the easier the table the more games and quarters per hour.
1 3/8" nose height is to high, which causes the table to play to slow, and that's not even close to why flat side up or down play differently. And the contact point of the nose is stil in the same place, flat side up or down!
You're right! You're always right!
The rest of us are just incapable of understanding the physics of a pool table. I apologize for wasting everyone's time.
Table pocket started getting tighter because the viewing players felt that the Pros should be held to a higher standard than they were, because they wanted to see the pros miss more often. Then the dead money tournament players started realizing they still couldn't compete with the pros even though they thought they'd have a better chance to because of the tighter pockets, so then they started putting on pressure to the tournament directors to start changing the rules of the game to better favor the weaker players chances of winning, and the dominoes effect continued to shorter races, alternating breaks, break boxes, magic racks....the list of changes go on and on.
Bar tables have always been designed with as many games per hour as they can get in, that's why Diamond has cut back the pocket shelfs 4 times now, each time getting more shallow....so the complainers who support 95% of the pool revenue in this country don't quit playing pool!!
You're not wasting anyone's time, but when you provide answers to questions please at least know a little more of what you're talking about, and don't attack me because i do know what I'm talking about. When a pool table plays right, there's a feel to it that i just can't explain, but when it's right, it feels right.