Diamond Professional 8' Questions

SO you have shown something called paperstone, who makes it? Awfully defensive using someone elses knowledge like you invented it, way to go! YOU WIN! :) Well not really, pretty sure shaw makes what ever paperstone is lol

TFT
I would be surprised if it is not shaw. i see a company names paperstone made in washington, how do we prove it who is making PRC these days? imma call my rep when they open after the new year!!

TFT
 
I would be surprised if it is not shaw. i see a company names paperstone made in washington, how do we prove it who is making PRC these days? imma call my rep when they open after the new year!!

TFT
I feel like 18 posts are about to happen proving how "wrong" I am !!! I am waiting!!!

TFT

p.s. actually I am really tired and going nigh nigh!
 
SO you have shown something called paperstone, who makes it? Awfully defensive using someone elses knowledge like you invented it, way to go! YOU WIN! :) Well not really, pretty sure shaw makes what ever paperstone is lol

TFT
Paperstone is one of the products made by a company called Paneltech International LLC located in Hoquiam, Washington where the product is made. I’m not being defensive at all. I do not know why you think I am being defensive or why I would even need to be defensive. Over what? I am just pointing out some misinformation in your post is all. The one that seems to be acting defensive is you for some reason. Do you not want your post to be factual? Am I not allowed to point out your error just as I did when you thought Simonis bought Kleber? Nor do I know why you think I am using someone else’s knowledge or acting like I invented it. Obviously I did not. I discovered the information through my own research that I did before I purchased my 9 ft Diamond Professional table as I wanted to learn more about the PRC material as an option for the table. Google is great for researching. I narrowed it down to being made from either Richlite or Paperstone, both produced in Washington state. I was able to learn more about the production processes and product quality from the companies websites. When I mentioned it in the other thread where PRC was mentioned, RKC happened to read my post and confirmed to me that it was Paperstone. After that, a search of Paperstone‘s Facebook page showed me their reference to Diamond Tables as being a customer at the begining of 2015 when Diamond first introduced the PRC tables after Rutland Plywood burnt down in August or September of 2014. They have 5 or so more posts on their Facebook page referring to Diamond‘s use of their Paperstone product. The main uses for Paperstone seems to be for things like countertops and cladding. Gibsons Guitars uses a similar product called Richlite, made by a different company in Tacoma, Wa., for fret boards to replace hardwoods such as ebony. Ultimately I decided to buy my Diamond professional table, chairs, light, rack and cue holder in Granadillo hardwood with a rosewood/cherry stain because of my love of exotic woods. I also just checked, and there is no reference to Shaw being a holding company of Paneltech or owning the Paperstone brand on either Shaw‘s or Paneltech‘s websites or any other websites. Shaw Industries lists all their brands and Paperstone is not among them. Nor does a google search show there being any relationship or distributor arrangement between Paneltech or Shaw. I post on AZB sparingly but I read a lot on it. I read your post earlier today and saw the Shaw flooring reference to phenolic resin and “cardboard” and felt that some people may truly want to know what PRC is actually made from. It’s not about winning. It’s about correcting misinformation so that people have the correct facts. Your last sentence, however, points out that to you it is about winning. That says a lot. So now you know how and why I know about paperstone. I like to do my research just as I did when I was looking at Kleber cushions. 😊
 
Paperstone is one of the products made by a company called Paneltech International LLC located in Hoquiam, Washington where the product is made. I’m not being defensive at all. I do not know why you think I am being defensive or why I would even need to be defensive. Over what? I am just pointing out some misinformation in your post is all. The one that seems to be acting defensive is you for some reason. Do you not want your post to be factual? Am I not allowed to point out your error just as I did when you thought Simonis bought Kleber? Nor do I know why you think I am using someone else’s knowledge or acting like I invented it. Obviously I did not. I discovered the information through my own research that I did before I purchased my 9 ft Diamond Professional table as I wanted to learn more about the PRC material as an option for the table. Google is great for researching. I narrowed it down to being made from either Richlite or Paperstone, both produced in Washington state. I was able to learn more about the production processes and product quality from the companies websites. When I mentioned it in the other thread where PRC was mentioned, RKC happened to read my post and confirmed to me that it was Paperstone. After that, a search of Paperstone‘s Facebook page showed me their reference to Diamond Tables as being a customer at the begining of 2015 when Diamond first introduced the PRC tables after Rutland Plywood burnt down in August or September of 2014. They have 5 or so more posts on their Facebook page referring to Diamond‘s use of their Paperstone product. The main uses for Paperstone seems to be for things like countertops and cladding. Gibsons Guitars uses a similar product called Richlite, made by a different company in Tacoma, Wa., for fret boards to replace hardwoods such as ebony. Ultimately I decided to buy my Diamond professional table, chairs, light, rack and cue holder in Granadillo hardwood with a rosewood/cherry stain because of my love of exotic woods. I also just checked, and there is no reference to Shaw being a holding company of Paneltech or owning the Paperstone brand on either Shaw‘s or Paneltech‘s websites or any other websites. Shaw Industries lists all their brands and Paperstone is not among them. Nor does a google search show there being any relationship or distributor arrangement between Paneltech or Shaw. I post on AZB sparingly but I read a lot on it. I read your post earlier today and saw the Shaw flooring reference to phenolic resin and “cardboard” and felt that some people may truly want to know what PRC is actually made from. It’s not about winning. It’s about correcting misinformation so that people have the correct facts. Your last sentence, however, points out that to you it is about winning. That says a lot. So now you know how and why I know about paperstone. I like to do my research just as I did when I was looking at Kleber cushions. 😊
WOW, +6500 for Granadillo, what does that look like? With all your research, what do you think of the PRC rails? Thanks
 
Paperstone is one of the products made by a company called Paneltech International LLC located in Hoquiam, Washington where the product is made. I’m not being defensive at all. I do not know why you think I am being defensive or why I would even need to be defensive. Over what? I am just pointing out some misinformation in your post is all. The one that seems to be acting defensive is you for some reason. Do you not want your post to be factual? Am I not allowed to point out your error just as I did when you thought Simonis bought Kleber? Nor do I know why you think I am using someone else’s knowledge or acting like I invented it. Obviously I did not. I discovered the information through my own research that I did before I purchased my 9 ft Diamond Professional table as I wanted to learn more about the PRC material as an option for the table. Google is great for researching. I narrowed it down to being made from either Richlite or Paperstone, both produced in Washington state. I was able to learn more about the production processes and product quality from the companies websites. When I mentioned it in the other thread where PRC was mentioned, RKC happened to read my post and confirmed to me that it was Paperstone. After that, a search of Paperstone‘s Facebook page showed me their reference to Diamond Tables as being a customer at the begining of 2015 when Diamond first introduced the PRC tables after Rutland Plywood burnt down in August or September of 2014. They have 5 or so more posts on their Facebook page referring to Diamond‘s use of their Paperstone product. The main uses for Paperstone seems to be for things like countertops and cladding. Gibsons Guitars uses a similar product called Richlite, made by a different company in Tacoma, Wa., for fret boards to replace hardwoods such as ebony. Ultimately I decided to buy my Diamond professional table, chairs, light, rack and cue holder in Granadillo hardwood with a rosewood/cherry stain because of my love of exotic woods. I also just checked, and there is no reference to Shaw being a holding company of Paneltech or owning the Paperstone brand on either Shaw‘s or Paneltech‘s websites or any other websites. Shaw Industries lists all their brands and Paperstone is not among them. Nor does a google search show there being any relationship or distributor arrangement between Paneltech or Shaw. I post on AZB sparingly but I read a lot on it. I read your post earlier today and saw the Shaw flooring reference to phenolic resin and “cardboard” and felt that some people may truly want to know what PRC is actually made from. It’s not about winning. It’s about correcting misinformation so that people have the correct facts. Your last sentence, however, points out that to you it is about winning. That says a lot. So now you know how and why I know about paperstone. I like to do my research just as I did when I was looking at Kleber cushions.

:), I will call the source: my rep at Diamond. I may be wrong, it happens. I install the tables and sell them, so when I see "actual flakes" of cardboard, yep brown "paper" in the black prc, I would say something has changed. Many things change. :)

TFT
 
What shots would those be?
Drawing to the long rail one rail with too much angle. It is impossible to hold the cue ball like you can do on any normal table and you have to draw it 2 rails instead.

Also, when you end up with too much angle cutting a ball into the corner pocket down the long rail and want to go 2 rails to the other long rail. With this shot even if you make the object ball barely reach the pocket you still end up with the cue ball in the center of the table overrunning your position by a foot or more. The only solution for this shot is to hit the ball really firm and go 3 rails. This is another shot that should be possible on any normal table that just isn't possible on an 8 foot with artemis.

Basically with artemis on an 8 footer you will end up with a gaffy table that plays different than 99% of all other tables out there. I'm having a new 8.5' table made and I for this exact reason it won't have artemis. There was a pool hall here (that covid killed) which had like 10 Diamond 8 footers with artemis and the patterns you had to play on them were different than any other tables in town (including the two 9 foot Diamonds they had with artemis): all because of the rubber.

From what I understand situations like above are the reason Diamond stopped using Artemis on their tables smaller than 9 foot and went to Diamond Black rubber.
 
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Right, I know that part. What I was asking is why doesn't someone else make Dymondwood?? From the sounds of it there is not a suitable replacement.
If my memory serves me correct, it was recreating the forms that Rutland used that was the difficult part of reproducing the Dymondwood rails that Diamond used?

It is pretty frustrating since it has been many years now, and no solution. It is not even known if Diamond is making any more effort to replace Dymondwood after the Dymalux headaches.
 
SO you have shown something called paperstone, who makes it? Awfully defensive using someone elses knowledge like you invented it, way to go! YOU WIN! :) Well not really, pretty sure shaw makes what ever paperstone is lol

TFT
He is correct, its made in Hoqueim, WA at the Paper Stone mill.
 
My understanding is that Dymalux chipped too easily during manufacturing.

What about WebbWood?


Has Diamond explored other options? Or, have they just said the hell with it, this is what we have (PRC and wood)?
They've looked at everything available, and those willing to build in the sizes Diamond needs.
 
Drawing to the long rail one rail with too much angle. It is impossible to hold the cue ball like you can do on any normal table and you have to draw it 2 rails instead.

Also, when you end up with too much angle cutting a ball into the corner pocket down the long rail and want to go 2 rails to the other long rail. With this shot even if you make the object ball barely reach the pocket you still end up with the cue ball in the center of the table overrunning your position by a foot or more. The only solution for this shot is to hit the ball really firm and go 3 rails. This is another shot that should be possible on any normal table that just isn't possible on an 8 foot with artemis.

Basically with artemis on an 8 footer you will end up with a gaffy table that plays different than 99% of all other tables out there. I'm having a new 8.5' table made and I for this exact reason it won't have artemis. There was a pool hall here (that covid killed) which had like 10 Diamond 8 footers with artemis and the patterns you had to play on them were different than any other tables in town (including the two 9 foot Diamonds they had with artemis): all because of the rubber.

From what I understand situations like above are the reason Diamond stopped using Artemis on their tables smaller than 9 foot and went to Diamond Black rubber.
Completely wrong, Diamond from day 1 has never installed the Artemis cushions on ANY of their tables other than the 9fts, I know that as a fact. Second, what you're describing is the red label springy cushion response, NOT the way Artemis cushions play!
 
Gives the rails character😅
they had me replace a top hat had it all throughout, with another top that did too! the guy was in disbelief when i showed up with it,and we were in and out, with playing games, in less than 2 hours! AHAHAHAHHA, he was one of those super pains in the ass to the factory, I FIXED THAT MESS RIGHT UP>

TFT
 
Curly Maple. Not my table, I just saw it for the first time a few days ago.
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they had me replace a top hat had it all throughout, with another top that did too! the guy was in disbelief when i showed up with it,and we were in and out, with playing games, in less than 2 hours! AHAHAHAHHA, he was one of those super pains in the ass to the factory, I FIXED THAT MESS RIGHT UP>

TFT
I've never had to replace the rails, they're not flawed, there's no little chips in them, smooth as a babies ass. The little specs you can see in the finish are just a part of the design
 
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