Diamonds are close to the best, very accessible, and good prices,
very ugly though
Ugly as a mother shut my mouth. But as functional & durable as a table can be. If I owned anything other than a GoldCrown it would be a Diamond.
Diamonds are close to the best, very accessible, and good prices,
very ugly though
I am not that impressed with Campbell Soup. Good maybe.
But M'm!, M'm! Good!...I think that's a lot of hype and frankly I find it excessively puncuated.
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You need to learn a little more about those tables before you rate them. The pocket facings on the Gabriel's are 3/8" thick, and because so....wear right through the cloth on the points of all the pockets, and play as stiff as 2"×4"s.
RKC, have you ever worked or played on a Rasson? I’ve not, but as mentioned above, they seem pretty keen to make a quality table.
I am not that impressed with Campbell Soup. Good maybe.
But M'm!, M'm! Good!...I think that's a lot of hype and frankly I find it excessively puncuated.
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I'd hate to hear what you'd say about all the other commercial quality tables out there if you've got this many complaints about Diamond's!
All the diamond lovers should go to Atlanta at Mr Cues 2 billiards. This is a player’s room through and through. About 1 year ago they remodeled a new section of the room to put in 2 brand new diamond 1 pocket tables. Very tight pockets. They call the new section the shark pit.
These are both new blue label dismonds.
Go play some on them. Any game you want. You will be scratching your head at where the balls go. As short as the worst red label you ever played on. I mean seriously if your skill level is such that you can run 3 balls with bih 2 out of 5 times you will simply be shocked how the balls come off the rail.
Then, go over 5 feet to any of the 30 GCs in the rest of the room and the rails play right.
This isn’t a mechanic issue. This is a design issue that has NOT been addressed.
I’ve played on diamonds in several places across the country. My gut feeling is when the cloth is new and the air is very dry, they play close to a GC. But when the cloth is worn, or something is different with the weather (and I’m not certain what that difference is) then they play like garbage.
So before glen yells at me again, go to that room yourself and tell me if those two tables play right, and if the GC’s 5 feet away play right.
Let me see if I can drown this out and forget this thread forever.
I wasn't trying to start a flame war on myself, I was just stating what I have noticed over a couple years about Diamonds. I'm pretty sure someone should of pointed out a negative bias on my opinion, as my opinion is based on almost literally playing on nothing but Diamonds for 2 years. So, if I basically only play on them, I can't have the time to point out flaws on other tables. But, I still feel my observations are valid for my personal continuous exposure to them.
I've shot on plenty of good and bad tables over 30 years, but being I'm not a gear head in general, I always stay objective, especially on the matters that would stop me from being a gear head in a particular realm. So, maybe I do spot the negatives, but sadly overlook the positives (as stated and what I overlooked, the rails are also great to bridge off on).
Does Diamond receive enough constant feedback to continue to improve yearly, or just every 5 years or so? I don't know, but I do know that I like playing on them even if I _personally_ don't consider them by definition great. But, they could be great, as all I have noticed about that them to stop them from being great is seemingly superficial. Hopefully the biggest Diamond fans still have to stay objective enough to influence Diamond to continually improve.
Anyways, thanks for the demoralization, it helps to stay grounded .
This isn’t a mechanic issue. This is a design issue that has NOT been addressed.
So before glen yells at me again, go to that room yourself and tell me if those two tables play right, and if the GC’s 5 feet away play right.
Let me see if I can drown this out and forget this thread forever.
I wasn't trying to start a flame war, I was just stating what I have noticed over a couple years about Diamonds. I'm pretty sure someone should of pointed out a negative bias on my opinion, as my opinion is based on almost literally playing on nothing but Diamonds for 2 years. So, if I basically only play on them, I can't have the time to point out flaws on other tables. But, I still feel my observations are valid for my personal continuous exposure to them.
I've shot on plenty of good and bad tables over 30 years, but being I'm not a gear head in general, I always stay objective, especially on the matters that would stop me from being a gear head in a particular realm. So, maybe I do spot the negatives, but sadly overlook the positives (as stated and what I overlooked, the rails are also great to bridge off on).
Does Diamond receive enough constant feedback to continue to improve yearly, or just every 5 years or so? I don't know, but I do know that I like playing on them even if I _personally_ don't consider them by definition great. But, they could be great, as all I have noticed about that them to stop them from being great is seemingly superficial. Hopefully the biggest Diamond fans still have to stay objective enough to influence Diamond to continually improve.
Anyways, thanks for the demoralization, it helps to stay grounded .
I love Diamond tables. I haven't played on them enough to find any glitches they have.
I see a lot of people defending Diamond on here. What I don't see is any dispute of the issues Cron has w Diamonds.
RKC, have you ever heard of those issues? Do you have any insight on why he is experiencing these problems?
I'd love to own a Diamond. I just can't justify the price.
Although, nothing is so great it is above criticism.
Maybe you both are right. Maybe the mold went bad and Diamond changed it out. I've never been in Diamond's factory, but I know exactly where it is at (guess where I live?), and I know that the humidity _RIGHT_NOW_ could very easily make any mold expand.
I'm not saying this happened, and it's not exactly applicable to steel (assuming they're using cast molds here), but when you poly a butcher block surface of any kind in this part of the country it is not just recommended to keep the bottom surface bare, but literally a requirement as the humidity will warp anything around here... (even pad locks!!! Always have bolt cutters in the summer and winter).
BTW, how does a table builder know that the rails are not defective before assembly?
I think we were all dooped into giving the op what he wanted.......