Diamonds are Popular Tables, What Table is Most Popular Right Now?

[flyvirginiaguy]

Out of curiosity, have you ever played on the Ultimate table by Connelly, CJ? The beast with the 2" slate.

I have not, so ask out of curiosity of how they play, and not really to bring them up as a consideration for a room.

 

[jason]

Actually that is not what you said. You used the buy American analogy. Thus, is the Diamond table an all American made table? Does Diamond support more jobs in the U.S. than that of Brunswick? If not, why use the analogy?

If many of the players/halls desert buying Brunswick tables, why would Brunswick not desert sponsoring said tournaments? There is two sides to the equation.
But the difference is, when Brunswick did sponsor events more often, it was done very professionally, and most always made it to television, as Brunswick knew this was the only way to correctly promote and grow the game of billiards.

If people show interests in big businesses products, than big business is going to put money into that interest. If people don't show interest, then big business will not. And then people blame the business for the people's lack of interest. Typical...

You know Virginiaguy...I just made a simple opinion statement not to be analyzed so critically. I definitely don't have the time to debate or research everything to win a discussion on this forum. I don't know where every company gets their parts or who supplies their labor.

I'm not anti-Brunswick in any means, they have built fine products over the years. I do support buying American as much as possible although that seems almost impossible these days. Maybe the phrase these days should be buy Detroit.

Diamond has done more for organized pool in the recent past than Brunswick has IMO. Let's just leave it at that.

 

[hang-the-9]

I think I heard somewhere that Diamond sells replacement pockets that will not mark up the balls, but I think it was around $600 per table or something for them.. Kinda pricey to fix a problem that should have been fixed by now by Diamond..

The Black marks aren't too bad if the balls are cleaned anyways on a regular or daily basis.. Mine are done 4-5 times a week depending on the usage in the Diamond double ball cleaner (best money I ever spent by the way, lol...)

That's a $100 per little leather doo-hickey! Crazy talk there. I can almost buy a whole used GC 3 table for $600. I'd just sand off the black exterior or glue something over it.

 

[jalapus logan]

Out of curiosity, have you ever played on the Ultimate table by Connelly, CJ? The beast with the 2" slate.

I have not, so ask out of curiosity of how they play, and not really to bring them up as a consideration for a room.

I have played on connelly ultimates. Hated it for sure. Pockets are cut poorly, similar to Olhausens. Well struck balls will literally pop right back out onto the table. I played AZBer and cue seller Quality Cues on his home connelly and he said he normally just considers the ball as pocketed when it pops back onto the table. I'm talking straight in shots that hit the back of the pocket and do not touch a rail going in. Not good!

 

[lorider]

i hope your venture is successful cj no matter what tables you use.

since you are asking for opinions let me give you mine.:wink:

I don't think the brand of table is as criticle as the type of table you purchase. I think you need both 7's and 9's and probably an even number of each.

the most determining factor of whether you are successful or not will be how well the tables are maintained and how well you serve your customers desires, not what type of tables you have .

let me give you some examples. I went back to my home town last year and visited 2 pool halls. one place the owner was a member of this forum, ultimate bill. I visited ultimate billiards and thought I was in pool hall heaven. all diamond tables with a huge Russian pyramid table. bill and his staff were friendly as heck. but something was missing, just could not put my finger on it. a few months later I read on here he is closing.

the other place was donellys up in vero. beach. I was surprised that place was still there and had not changed a bit in 30 years. it was like stepping back in a time warp. gold crowns and valleys in there and the place was crowded as always.

this should prove that just going with the most popular does not mean automatic success in your venture.

I live in Memphis now. I am fortunate to have 3 pool halls here. 1 has all diamonds and is open 24 hrs a day 7 days a week. although I love diamond tables I never go there.

I go to high pockets where I am always welcomed with open arms , a handshake or a pat on the back by tracy with a smile on his face. again gold crowns and valleys.

there is a saying - you can please all the people some of the time, you can please some of the people all the time but you can never please all the people all the time. well I hae never seen some one who works as hard as tracy trying to please all the people all the time.

,ore later got to go

 

[realkingcobra]

I think I heard somewhere that Diamond sells replacement pockets that will not mark up the balls, but I think it was around $600 per table or something for them.. Kinda pricey to fix a problem that should have been fixed by now by Diamond..

The Black marks aren't too bad if the balls are cleaned anyways on a regular or daily basis.. Mine are done 4-5 times a week depending on the usage in the Diamond double ball cleaner (best money I ever spent by the way, lol...)

Your price guess is about $360 to high

 

[CJ Wiley]

There's many ingredients in the recipe of a successful pool room

i hope your venture is successful cj no matter what tables you use.

since you are asking for opinions let me give you mine.:wink:

I don't think the brand of table is as criticle as the type of table you purchase. I think you need both 7's and 9's and probably an even number of each.

the most determining factor of whether you are successful or not will be how well the tables are maintained and how well you serve your customers desires, not what type of tables you have .

let me give you some examples. I went back to my home town last year and visited 2 pool halls. one place the owner was a member of this forum, ultimate bill. I visited ultimate billiards and thought I was in pool hall heaven. all diamond tables with a huge Russian pyramid table. bill and his staff were friendly as heck. but something was missing, just could not put my finger on it. a few months later I read on here he is closing.

the other place was donellys up in vero. beach. I was surprised that place was still there and had not changed a bit in 30 years. it was like stepping back in a time warp. gold crowns and valleys in there and the place was crowded as always.

this should prove that just going with the most popular does not mean automatic success in your venture.

I live in Memphis now. I am fortunate to have 3 pool halls here. 1 has all diamonds and is open 24 hrs a day 7 days a week. although I love diamond tables I never go there.

I go to high pockets where I am always welcomed with open arms , a handshake or a pat on the back by tracy with a smile on his face. again gold crowns and valleys.

there is a saying - you can please all the people some of the time, you can please some of the people all the time but you can never please all the people all the time. well I hae never seen some one who works as hard as tracy trying to please all the people all the time.

,ore later got to go

Thanks, Tracy is a genuinely nice guy, I talked with him recently and always admire his positive energy and personality.

I also agree that the atmosphere is more important than the tables, my goal is to have both. My pool room was very successful because I always had professional players (including myself) there playing each other and customers. 'Play Where the Pros Play' was the catch phrase and we made that true.

There's many ingredients in the recipe of a successful pool room. The "meat" is the atmosphere generated by the staff and customers.....these are the greatest assets and must be selected and groomed very carefully to enhance everyone's experience.

 

[Lonestar_jim]

I agree with the guy that said to try and go with a unique table option. Even though they have been available for years, Temple, TX (maybe Waco) is the closest a DFW player can find a Diamond bar table. Start with 6 and see how heavily they are used. And yes, resale value is strong.

I noticed RKC didn't respond to why they don't make the non-scuff pocket a standard rather than option. Maybe he doesn't know ??

 

[CJ Wiley]

there's probably factors that we're not aware of.

I agree with the guy that said to try and go with a unique table option. Even though they have been available for years, Temple, TX (maybe Waco) is the closest a DFW player can find a Diamond bar table. Start with 6 and see how heavily they are used. And yes, resale value is strong.

I noticed RKC didn't respond to why they don't make the non-scuff pocket a standard rather than option. Maybe he doesn't know ??

I would think they would switch the material to eliminate the problem, although, there's probably factors that we're not aware of.

It seems they would especially want them for their featured tournaments, for a good showing, the black spots do stand out.

 

[Fatboy]

put in both GC's and Diamonds then you have something for everyone. If i opened a room I would have both and some Vally BB's as well. 31 flavors my friend.

best of luck, i know you will do well

 

[TheBook]

Diamonds are the hot table now. Definitely go with a few 7 ft for leagues and then 9s. Also throw in a 10 ft so you can get Earl to pay you a visit. :grin:

Main thing is to keep the place well maintained and from the little that I have seen from you that would be a given.

Didn't you own a room years ago? A friend of mine said that he played many times in the room you owned in Texas and it was the biggest and nicest one that he had ever been in.

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[pt109]

I used Simonis cloth as a liner to cover the inside of Diamonds pockets. No more black marks![/QUOTE]

This sounds like a great idea, I wonder why they don't do something like this at the tournaments?

Maybe someone should give them a "heads up" to try this or something to keep the marks off the balls. This is a serious issue I would think, those black marks will make the balls skid more.

The problem goes away as the pockets get broken in....we got three Diamonds with zero marks on the balls.
New leather snooker pockets do the same thing.

I think it's a small price to pay for having the best pockets I've ever shot a ball into.

 

[realkingcobra]

I agree with the guy that said to try and go with a unique table option. Even though they have been available for years, Temple, TX (maybe Waco) is the closest a DFW player can find a Diamond bar table. Start with 6 and see how heavily they are used. And yes, resale value is strong.

I noticed RKC didn't respond to why they don't make the non-scuff pocket a standard rather than option. Maybe he doesn't know ??

Kind of still in the testing stages

 

[gxman]

I say only get 3-4 bar box, plenty of 8 ft tables, and several 9's.

At my pool hall, seems like everyone occupies the 8ft tables and only the bar box as a last resort. I think theres 12 8's, 2 7's and 2 9's. Currently adding 4 more 8's. By 8pm or so everyday, theres a waiting list of 3-4 long. All goldcrowns...

 

[DoubleA]

I like Diamonds.

 

[BangkokMichael]

I like Aileex crown tables from taiwan. They might not be as good as diamond or brunswick. but they are much better value.

 

[Lonestar_jim]

I like Aileex crown tables from taiwan. They might not be as good as diamond or brunswick. but they are much better value.

How long has this line been manufactured. How well can they take Banger abuse? Are they made from less durable material?

You get what you pay for usually.

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[Rusty C]

If you are going to have a big enough room and love to play, one of those diamonds or a gold crown are tops in play and durability. The upper level furniture tables by connely, olhausen, and Brunswick will play just as good if they are set up just as well. Set up is very important

is that a pool case in the picture

 

[gxman]

I like Aileex crown tables from taiwan. They might not be as good as diamond or brunswick. but they are much better value.

I just did a quick research. Does not look like Aileex crown tables are available in the U.S.

 

[CJ Wiley]

people do like variety

put in both GC's and Diamonds then you have something for everyone. If i opened a room I would have both and some Vally BB's as well. 31 flavors my friend.

best of luck, i know you will do well

Yes, I agree, people do like variety, usually three choices with suffice (example - blond, brunette and redhead).