Did my simonis get me out of stroke?

seanjonsean

seanjonsean

Otanisan Cues
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hello all, i have an 8 ft table with 6 month old 870 simonis, i think its 870, i chose the one for one pocket versus the one for nine ball. i practice bout 3 hours a day and more on weekends . This is what happens allot of shots go easily and u can slow roll balls with ease , last week i had 3 break and runs, its awesome , but wen i go to league night and play on a b.b. i play out of shape miss alomost straight in shots that are bout 3feet away ,cant get the speed down u name it ive been losing not badly but losing , do u guys think i should swicth to a slower nap cloth???? help!!!
 
The cloth is a factor, but here's a suggestion for you.

I have a table in my home that I practice on before I play. I can't match my table to the tables around town as far as speed, rails, and the usually dirty balls, but I can use the same cue ball. I have red circle, measles, blue circle, and an aramith bar table cue ball and I make sure to practice with the same cue ball that i'm going to be using in a tournament or match.

Using the right cue ball has helped me with my speed and position even if my table doesn't roll like the table i'm going to play on. The aramith bar box cue ball cost me around $15 if I remember right and I use it when i'm going to play on a BB and I have the measles and red circle balls if i'm going to be playing a match on a 9' table.

James
 
Don't sacrifice your game for league night on crummy cloth! Stick with the good stuff and lobby for the bar boxes to get better cloth. That seems to be the trend anyway, faster cloth.

$00.02
Courtney
 
dats a great tip , i have the measles cue ball and always play with , do u recomend a another cloth? i was also thinking of taking another cue to league night one that hits harder and firmer...
 
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seanjonsean said:
dats a great tip , i have the measles cue ball and always play with , do u recomend a another cloth? i was also thinking of taking another cue to league night one that hits harder and firmer...
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The suggestion about cue balls was great, it is good to play with different cue balls because they all play a little differently. However the only real solution to the table issue isn't changing cloth but getting out and playing or practicing in real world conditions more. Not to offend but playing only on your own table in your own home you can become a "hothouse player", a champion on your table but not able to adapt rapidly to other tables and conditions. Changing cloth isn't going to correct all of your issues.

Hu
 
thanx shootingarts i think that might be great but alot of factors come into play , like fuel cost and time i get off work and finding a good close decent place , i will try and go out more or maybe during my lunch break but im not sure if and hour a day will help
 
seanjonsean said:
thanx shootingarts i think that might be great but alot of factors come into play , like fuel cost and time i get off work and finding a good close decent place , i will try and go out more or maybe during my lunch break but im not sure if and hour a day will help
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I really like the cue ball suggestion, but I have to say an hour a day will help since you're merely adapting to conditions. If you only play one place, practice there a couple times a week, or at the very least, why not just get there an hour or so early and do some speed/shape drills?
 
we play indiff locations and im at least 30 min awayand we start at 730 so thats out of the quest m i think i just have to get more aggresive and try alot of tables
 
seanjonsean said:
hello all, i have an 8 ft table with 6 month old 870 simonis, i think its 870, i chose the one for one pocket versus the one for nine ball. i practice bout 3 hours a day and more on weekends . This is what happens allot of shots go easily and u can slow roll balls with ease , last week i had 3 break and runs, its awesome , but wen i go to league night and play on a b.b. i play out of shape miss alomost straight in shots that are bout 3feet away ,cant get the speed down u name it ive been losing not badly but losing , do u guys think i should swicth to a slower nap cloth???? help!!!
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I do the same thing. Play all week on a 9 ft w/Simonis and then league night a BB w/ slow (Mali) cloth and a mud ball cue ball.

What works for me is to play about 30-45 mins on the day of league on the BB. I've adapted a style on the BB which basically kills the cueball. I look for stop shot patterns like in 14.1 or at least a run where cueball travel is reduced. After a 25 year layoff I came back and my stats were near the top of the league. Might work for you. Good luck...Tom
 
played tonight with normal cue ball

i did hear a diffrence with cheap ball and seemed to break balls harder but thats bout it, speed seems a little slower not much , im thinking of not cleaning table and balls for a while and im gonna try and hit the bb more
 
The cue ball on a bar box is 2-3\8" diameter all the other balls are stock 2-1\4" in diameter also the balls on a bar box are dirty and out of round. The bar box has thinner slate 5\8" instead of 1" or thicker. Msat techs that work on ball boxes don't know how to level them correctly and when they apply the glue and cloth the leave extra on the bottom of the slate which rests on the supports on the ends making the middle sag they goes level. The rails on a bar box bolt on dead crooked bad design + bad installers beat up the rails on recovers.

1.Cheap bar owners only want to pay less then $200 to have a table done right.

2. Cheap vending companies only lookig @ the quarter drop.

3. Cheap balls from everyone stealing them.

4. Hack installers ruining the game for the quick $100 labor rate.

5. Should replace rails with Realkingcobra's razorback rails alot better quality.

6. Tables should be replaced with a Diamond Smart table, this in it's self will remove most of the above problems.

Craig
 
the best advice i can give is keep playing. i have very little trouble changing from 7-8-9 ft simonis - challanger cloth whatever. the heavy cueball can be trouble but if you play good patterns you can get around that.
 
seanjonsean said:
hello all, i have an 8 ft table with 6 month old 870 simonis, i think its 870, i chose the one for one pocket versus the one for nine ball. i practice bout 3 hours a day and more on weekends . This is what happens allot of shots go easily and u can slow roll balls with ease , last week i had 3 break and runs, its awesome , but wen i go to league night and play on a b.b. i play out of shape miss alomost straight in shots that are bout 3feet away ,cant get the speed down u name it ive been losing not badly but losing , do u guys think i should swicth to a slower nap cloth???? help!!!
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You need to play a few games on the bar table before league. Big diference in cloth and table size. Good luck. Johnnyt
 
Tell yourself that the equipment wont make a difference, and that you are quick to adapt. It will do wonders to your game if you can convince yourself that no matter what youre playing on youll make a quick adjustment.
 
seanjonsean said:
hello all, i have an 8 ft table with 6 month old 870 simonis, i think its 870, i chose the one for one pocket versus the one for nine ball. i practice bout 3 hours a day and more on weekends . This is what happens allot of shots go easily and u can slow roll balls with ease , last week i had 3 break and runs, its awesome , but wen i go to league night and play on a b.b. i play out of shape miss alomost straight in shots that are bout 3feet away ,cant get the speed down u name it ive been losing not badly but losing , do u guys think i should swicth to a slower nap cloth???? help!!!
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I'm going to give you the best advice for tournament play that you'll ever receive. If you have time before the tournament starts to practice on those tables you can get in stroke in as little as 10 minutes if you do it right. First thing I suggest is not getting on the table and trying to cut balls up the rail and swing 3 rails around for position on another ball. This is a warm up. Start with the cue ball in the center of the table and shot it towards the second diamond on the side rail, you may need to make little adjustments on where exactly to hit the rail, but try to go 3 rails around back to about where you started at mid table. This is cue ball only. Shoot that shot until you feel confident that you can control that speed. Then do it on the other side, cushions may play differently.

After you finish that little drill start shooting some OB balls straight into the pocket from just a foot or so away. No need to be shooting tough shots. Get your mind into "I'm making balls" mode rather than "Damn, I missed that long backwards cut, I must be shooting bad today" way of thinking. Just shoot a few balls like that. *THEN* set up some easy cut shots towards the corner pocket, maybe set the cue ball at the 1 diamond/1diamond, cut them in and come around 2 rails to mid table. Do that on both sides. Be strict with yourself on the area you want to get to with the cue ball. And again, set the ball up so you are 99.9% favored of making it in the pocket to keep your mind in that making balls mode.

Here are some diagrams(see below). Trust me, take this few minutes on a new table and you'll play better than you have been.
MULLY

CueTable Help

 
thanxz mully for the diagram and evryone else for tips , i will try that next time i get to table and im thinking of also practicing the lag ,mostly win alot of the times but it always ends up a few inches if not more from the rail , i do need to get in that zone and clear my head , i think its mental and cheap equipment
 
Mully has some really good advice there.

Just try not to let factors beyond your control destroy your game. I play with someone pretty frequently who says they just CANNOT play with bar table cueballs ever for any reason no matter how much they practice with them, so if they ever end up gambling on a bar table or in a bar table tournament, i have seen him dog it and cuss and yell and get upset. Hes letting a cueball destroy his game, and thats the last thing you want to do. Just relax and you will get the feel of the equipment better:)
 
Febreze said:
Mully has some really good advice there.

Just try not to let factors beyond your control destroy your game. I play with someone pretty frequently who says they just CANNOT play with bar table cueballs ever for any reason no matter how much they practice with them, so if they ever end up gambling on a bar table or in a bar table tournament, i have seen him dog it and cuss and yell and get upset. Hes letting a cueball destroy his game, and thats the last thing you want to do. Just relax and you will get the feel of the equipment better:)
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Hey, Febreze, shout out to Cincinnati. I've been in Japan for the last 17 years but The Queen City is my hometown. Go Bengals!!

seanjonsean, the reason I recommend the center of the table practice is because if you can control to the center of the table then anything else is a little more or a little less. And again, set up easy shots that you're going to pocket so your mind doesn't shark you with "I missed that?!?!" Good luck.
MULLY
 
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I agree..great tips from Mully! You mentioned more than 1 problem...both the speed control and missing some easy shots. It sounds like Mully's advice covers both of those, but I would ad one more thing to the mix, and that is pay close attention to your cue ball paths and play position to allow for coming into your next shot rather than accross it. I am sure the teachers on here can say it more elloquently, but if you work on coming at your object ball position speed becomes a little more variable. Anyone want to describe this in better terms?

As to changing your cloth. Don't! Spend that money on lessons from some of these great posters and/or your local pro instead. Great job on the 3 pack!!!:)

td
 
grindz said:
I agree..great tips from Mully! You mentioned more than 1 problem...both the speed control and missing some easy shots. It sounds like Mully's advice covers both of those, but I would ad one more thing to the mix, and that is pay close attention to your cue ball paths and play position to allow for coming into your next shot rather than accross it. I am sure the teachers on here can say it more elloquently, but if you work on coming at your object ball position speed becomes a little more variable. Anyone want to describe this in better terms?

As to changing your cloth. Don't! Spend that money on lessons from some of these great posters and/or your local pro instead. Great job on the 3 pack!!!:)

td
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I'll jump on that request.

What grindz is saying here about coming into the shot as opposed to across it will look like this. This is a simple example but very clear. With cue ball A if you go forward from the 8, around 2 cushions for the 9, you will be crossing the line of the shot. It is so easy to come up short or go too long and once you pass that line you're making things more difficult for yourself. With Cue ball B you would use middle to low right to swing back 2 cushions from the 8 to the 9. Once you leave that second cushion you're in line with the shot. If you under hit it a bit or over hit it a bit you'll still be on that line. Now, as for where the cue ball comes off that second cushion on a shot like this will take practice on what spin you're applying to get it to go to different spots on the rail and how the spin affects that angle. Not real difficult though once you get down on it and shoot a few of them. And as a side note I put the cue balls in that position only so they wouldn't be on top of each other, the idea is the same regardless of where you start. You really don't want to go on path A unless you have can't go route B. If you have the option of both B is much safer.
MULLY

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