Did the cue market fall apart?

Facts

$3600, seven bumps.


$8500, eight bumps.


$2400, six bumps.

You could go to Bring a Trailer for this kind of money and buy a fun car!

That said, I don't think any of this is evidence the cue market is falling apart. A 10-20% correction in prices, if that's what is actually happening, is not abnormal in collecting. Pre-1980 classic cars had a 20-30% correction almost across the board (well before the interest rate hikes) and have now stabilized. Watches have had a major correction in the past couple years.

The real question is about the long-term trends and it's pretty clear those trends are not positive for collector cues.
It's a good cue but 2500 never heard of the brand no one plays one facts.stick with mass market cues lets go konollien cues
 
Of major global economies, China is probably in the worst shape and most likely to suffer a major collapse in the next year.

They have a confluence of problems worst of which is a housing market on the verge of collapse that the majority of Chinese have their life savings tied up in.

Europe and Taiwan are no worse off than we are, but Taiwan does have a pretty significant dependence on China for their semiconductor industry that could cause them some heartburn if China takes a dive. But with a large amount of Chinese production being duplicated in Vietnam, you could see the loss from China made up by other countries quickly.

I guess the good news here is China shits the bed we can all get SW cues...
Then I'm still waiting for a predator to go 280 even a aspire cue never seen one lower than 300 for a used aspire predator cue smdh
 
I for one, am still a Meucci fan. I currently own five and have bought and sold about 10 others with no problems. I did endure the long repair cycle under the last year of the prior ownership but now that Seth and his partner have taken over the company, I already see positive change. Turn times are dramatically reduced, quality is there, they respond to emails, the website is completely revamped, and you can actually do business with them quickly and confidently. I have stopped using my Schon and one of my Meucci's is now my daily player and I love it, combined with a Mezz Ignite CF shaft. I recently sold a few of my Meucci setups and all of them sold at the asking price within a week. I also ordered some misc stuff from their website, which was always hard to do and forced me to Julia's website instead; but now, the direct Meucci order was on my doorstep two days later. I needed an exchange on the order, and they processed it in less than 24 hours and sent me a no charge shipping label.

I am currently selling a 97-21B with a LD Pro shaft and a CF Pro shaft, in order to upgrade to a Casino-10 Meucci. To each his own.

Companies evolve, especially when ownership changes. I'm bullish on Meucci again.
Well that's good to hear that the new owners of Meucci are getting their act together.
My dislike for Meucci goes back to the mid '80's when I bought a brand new Meucci and with in 6 months it warped and the ferrule cracked.
I did not abuse the cue being careful not to let it get too hot or cold.
 
Well that's good to hear that the new owners of Meucci are getting their act together.
My dislike for Meucci goes back to the mid '80's when I bought a brand new Meucci and with in 6 months it warped and the ferrule cracked.
I did not abuse the cue being careful not to let it get too hot or cold.
I've heard good things since new blood took over. At least they updated that funky old site: https://www.meuccicues.com/ They're smoking crack if they think people are gonna whip 50bux for some plastic jp's. Or 300 for a plain wood shaft. Just scrolling thru the prices. Good luck is all i can say. Wow.
 
I've heard good things since new blood took over. At least they updated that funky old site: https://www.meuccicues.com/ They're smoking crack if they think people are gonna whip 50bux for some plastic jp's. Or 300 for a plain wood shaft. Just scrolling thru the prices. Good luck is all i can say. Wow.
I bought a wood back up shaft off E bay for $50.
It's straight with no sugar marks and has an unknown layered tip and plays just fine.
 
I bought a wood back up shaft off E bay for $50.
It's straight with no sugar marks and has an unknown layered tip and plays just fine.
I did too and mine was warped. Just got my refund. The ones that J&J has are way better. Should have just got another one. My bad.
 
I bought a wood back up shaft off E bay for $50.
It's straight with no sugar marks and has an unknown layered tip and plays just fine.
i only had one shaft with one of those sugar marks, never bothered me and i thought it was kinda kool too. on a sweet starkey cue
 
Well that's good to hear that the new owners of Meucci are getting their act together.
My dislike for Meucci goes back to the mid '80's when I bought a brand new Meucci and with in 6 months it warped and the ferrule cracked.
I did not abuse the cue being careful not to let it get too hot or cold.
I still own Meucci cues that I bought in the early 80's. Not one of them has now, or has ever had, any warp or cracking issues. The only time I sent one in for "repair" was to have it refinished due to 30 years of wear. I simply wanted a refresh. They did an awesome job, despite taking nearly a year to get it done. I was getting no traction on progress on the repair and was getting quite upset about it. Then Bob sold the company. Within a few weeks, the new owners CALLED ME, apologized, and got me the cue back in two weeks, done, and at a significant discount. I've since bought two more from them, both with immediate shipping.

I bought a lemon BMW once, but have bought 10 more since that one. A single bad experience doesn't mean they're all bad. Perhaps I'm too understanding...
 
I still own Meucci cues that I bought in the early 80's. Not one of them has now, or has ever had, any warp or cracking issues. The only time I sent one in for "repair" was to have it refinished due to 30 years of wear. I simply wanted a refresh. They did an awesome job, despite taking nearly a year to get it done. I was getting no traction on progress on the repair and was getting quite upset about it. Then Bob sold the company. Within a few weeks, the new owners CALLED ME, apologized, and got me the cue back in two weeks, done, and at a significant discount. I've since bought two more from them, both with immediate shipping.
They need to design new stuff. Some of their higher priced stuff is just horrid imo. All that paua shell crap is just bad.
 
They need to design new stuff. Some of their higher priced stuff is just horrid imo. All that paua shell crap is just bad.
Agreed, I'm not a fan of the Paua shell. I think the playing card theme has run it's course as well but I still want a Casino-10 in my collection.
 
Agreed, I'm not a fan of the Paua shell. I think the playing card theme has run it's course as well but I still want a Casino-10 in my collection.
They still have a LOT of fence-mending to do. Cust.Serv. for years was virtually non-existent. Lot of cues made in late 90's thru mid/late 00's were often not well made. They are capable of good work and hopefully new mgm't does their job.
 
I'm seeing free tables every week here. Average rent for a one bedroom apartment is $2800 a month. People are literally throwing them out to make room for tenants, basically. usually the cues and lights and accessories go with the table, some may resell their prized cues. Antiques also fall out of fashion, the younger generation just aren't spending on them, most of the antique stores went out of business.

Many are clearing out stuff from boomer aged parents going into retirement and downsizing. Years back it was really common to have rec rooms in basements, dining areas for guests. People used to have basement workshops and now they cant' fix anything even if they wanted to. Throw away society. now there are incentives to create suites due to what they call a rental shortage. Much is due to an imbalance of immigration and the crown not releasing any land to the public. Canada actually owns a lot of land. land prices went wild as a result to the point where people don't dream about buying a house, 2 million is out of range so they they hope to one day buy their very own pigeon coop apartment.

not very many pool halls as the rent is so expensive, hard to profit. the younger generation are stuck into social media traps which become addictive and they waste their spare time that way. Older generations did a lot more with their hands, gardening, car repairs, they usually owned a tablesaw. many learned as kids on home tables. now the basement is a mortgage helper suite so they got rid of the family table.

Of course there are always a few that want a nice new cue and appreciate the workmanship of an artisan but it's a market that did shrink. the small town hall I grew up in and around was full of gold crowns, two snooker tables, all gone now, only thing left is a couple bars that have coin op tables. Sad to see beautiful old snooker tables going to the dump, I don't think they will come back in great numbers. of course there are still serious players, just not so many entering the sport.
 
I'm seeing free tables every week here. Average rent for a one bedroom apartment is $2800 a month. People are literally throwing them out to make room for tenants, basically. usually the cues and lights and accessories go with the table, some may resell their prized cues. Antiques also fall out of fashion, the younger generation just aren't spending on them, most of the antique stores went out of business.

Many are clearing out stuff from boomer aged parents going into retirement and downsizing. Years back it was really common to have rec rooms in basements, dining areas for guests. People used to have basement workshops and now they cant' fix anything even if they wanted to. Throw away society. now there are incentives to create suites due to what they call a rental shortage. Much is due to an imbalance of immigration and the crown not releasing any land to the public. Canada actually owns a lot of land. land prices went wild as a result to the point where people don't dream about buying a house, 2 million is out of range so they they hope to one day buy their very own pigeon coop apartment.

not very many pool halls as the rent is so expensive, hard to profit. the younger generation are stuck into social media traps which become addictive and they waste their spare time that way. Older generations did a lot more with their hands, gardening, car repairs, they usually owned a tablesaw. many learned as kids on home tables. now the basement is a mortgage helper suite so they got rid of the family table.

Of course there are always a few that want a nice new cue and appreciate the workmanship of an artisan but it's a market that did shrink. the small town hall I grew up in and around was full of gold crowns, two snooker tables, all gone now, only thing left is a couple bars that have coin op tables. Sad to see beautiful old snooker tables going to the dump, I don't think they will come back in great numbers. of course there are still serious players, just not so many entering the sport.
Don't know where you live but i never see tables listed as 'free'. In fact the used Gold Crown market is pretty healthy right now because of places switching to Diamonds. Used to find good GC's for under 1500bux but not anymore. Home-style table can be found cheap because they suck to begin with. No re-sale value.
 
It's a good cue but 2500 never heard of the brand no one plays one facts.stick with mass market cues lets go konollien cues

PFD Studio cues has been around long before I commissioned my 1st personal cue. Drexler's workmanship is top notch, and his cues are always featured on higher end pool cue collector sites.

Cues range from beginner quality k-marts to exhibition grade closet queens. The lower end of the spectrum sees the most play since they are the most affordable, while the higher end are more museum piece than sports equipment. There is also a wide happy middle-ground where cues can look good, play well, and retain long term value, but these will be less common than mass production cues since they take lots of time, skill, and / or precious materials to create. And not everyone is looking for a common budget player that holds no long-term value.
 
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Don't know where you live but i never see tables listed as 'free'. In fact the used Gold Crown market is pretty healthy right now because of places switching to Diamonds. Used to find good GC's for under 1500bux but not anymore. Home-style table can be found cheap because they suck to begin with. No re-sale value.
I had a quick look, here are 5 examples that are currently posted. is that one in Langley a GC or just a similar looking table?





 
Don't know where you live but i never see tables listed as 'free'. In fact the used Gold Crown market is pretty healthy right now because of places switching to Diamonds. Used to find good GC's for under 1500bux but not anymore. Home-style table can be found cheap because they suck to begin with. No re-sale value.
Three GC's in KC all under $1500 on FB Marketplace right now and one 10Ft GC for $1800....

God Damn I want that 10ft'er... but I have no interest in paying the $800 to move it and get it set up and then another $600 to re-felt it.

Just put new 860 on my 9ft
 
I bet a lot more gets spent on golf clubs than pool cues, because are lots of rich golf players and fancy pants golf courses. Most of the pool players I know are not swimming in money. Of course there are exceptions. It doesn't seem uncommon that many like playing both. Ive never met anyone that joined a pool club for the sake of creating business contacts. Maybe to buy weed ;-)
 
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