Did the TD make the right call??

tigerseye

tigerseye

Kenny Wilson
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This past weekend a guy who dominated the winners bracket and was sitting in the hot seat had Diabetes coma....

The place called the EMT and they brought him back to his normal....

Well he was able to play the final match and the TD said that he had to foreit him due to his disability and giving him 2nd place....

From the time he fell out and the time he was to play was within 30 minutes and he had not went outside of the time limit for his final match...

Do you think that it was the correct call??
 
That's not right!!!!!

If the guy didn't cause a delay in the final match...or in any match that he was playing, he should be allowed to play. If he had started a match then had his diabetic episode, then yes, he should be forfieted out. But it doesn't sound like he jepordized the tournament in any way, just caused a like extra excitement.

I am a Diabetic and I know what it's like to play in a long tournament. Sometimes you just don't eat like you're supposed to and I'm sure that's what happened to him...you're blood sugar drops and you can and sounds like he did, go into a diabetic coma. But once your sugar level get back up, you're good to go.

That Tournament Director was wrong to disqualify the palyer. No delay in any match, no harm to the tournament, should've been able to continue.

That's my oppinion and I'm sticking to it...I need some sugar now, where'd I put that doughnut!!!

L8R...Ken
 
Why did the TD disqualify him? If everything was still within the limit of the rules, it seems like an easy call to let the match go on as scheduled.
 
seems bogus, possibly illegal

Assuming you are saying that the player was still inside the time limit to start play when he was ready to play, the call seems bogus at best. Nobody else is fit to make the call if a player is healthy enough to compete. Perhaps medical personnel on the scene could make the call. However anyone else making the call seems to risk running afoul of laws protecting those with health issues as well as seeming to show bias.

My father had severe diabetes as did six or eight friends at one point in my life. They can move very quickly from alert and fit to a total fog or collapse and back to alert and fit. Playing pool is not a dangerous enough event to justify not letting someone play as a safety risk to themselves or others. Judging just by what you report, it seems to have been a bad call.

Hu



tigerseye said:
This past weekend a guy who dominated the winners bracket and was sitting in the hot seat had Diabetes coma....

The place called the EMT and they brought him back to his normal....

Well he was able to play the final match and the TD said that he had to foreit him due to his disability and giving him 2nd place....

From the time he fell out and the time he was to play was within 30 minutes and he had not went outside of the time limit for his final match...

Do you think that it was the correct call??
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42NateBaller said:
Why did the TD disqualify him? If everything was still within the limit of the rules, it seems like an easy call to let the match go on as scheduled.
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I wasn't there, so I'm just guessing but maybe, just maybe the TD was worried about his condition and possibly harming himself.

I too am diabetic and so many don't understand much about it. Most of us keep it private and people don't understand what effect it can have on your energy and attitude..

So, maybe by not knowing or being aware fo the Diabetes, the TD just thought he was doing the right thing. gain, I'm just guessing.
 
tigerseye said:
This past weekend a guy who dominated the winners bracket and was sitting in the hot seat had Diabetes coma....

The place called the EMT and they brought him back to his normal....

Well he was able to play the final match and the TD said that he had to foreit him due to his disability and giving him 2nd place....

From the time he fell out and the time he was to play was within 30 minutes and he had not went outside of the time limit for his final match...

Do you think that it was the correct call??
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Was the guys name Mike Triplett?? If so He comes to our area and has them all the time and has had some of them while playing. If he said he could play they should have let him. Sounds like the TD just didn't want to see him win, no matter who it was or maybe he had something going with one of his buddies that was in the tournament and that was his way of getting his money. JMHO
 
I agree with Ironman, running a safe and drama free event should be the TD main priority. As such liability concerns would be on his mind. To me, it makes more sense to refund rather than disqualify. Or at the very least comp entry to the next tournament.

ironman said:
I wasn't there, so I'm just guessing but maybe, just maybe the TD was worried about his condition and possibly harming himself.

I too am diabetic and so many don't understand much about it. Most of us keep it private and people don't understand what effect it can have on your energy and attitude..

So, maybe by not knowing or being aware fo the Diabetes, the TD just thought he was doing the right thing. gain, I'm just guessing.
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what about the 2nd side to the story?

We need to hear from the TD's side..........Perhaps there is something else we should know about it.....on the surface, from what you post, it seems like a real injustice, but we weren't there.......
 
I think it's important to appreciate the fact that this is a decision most TDs have never made before. What do you do if a player becomes incapable of continuing? Well, it's certainly a case-by-case situation. I wouldn't disqualify a person under many situations and would in others. If it were the first round, I would simply refund the participant and forfeit him because there's a lot of pool left to be played. Since this was the finals of the event, I think there's a little wiggle room one can work with but it's also important to appreciate some of the details here.

How late in the evening did this occur? Was there reason to believe the person would be incapable of continuing? Can there be a prize split or do other things (calcutta, non-monetary prize) make this difficult? Can this be continued on another day?

I mean, everything would have to align in one direction for me to forfeit the match but I can imagine plenty of scenarios where this would be possible. It's also important to acknowledge the other player in this has a right to win the match, too.
 
IMO, A lot more questions needing answers before anyone can form an informative opinion on this ruling.

Diabetics may be back to normal sugar levels after 30 minutes, but that doesn't mean they are capable of normal tasks. If I may take a guess, very few pool players are doctors.

At this venue I would also guess that the parimedics were the only ones qualified to give an accurate opinion as to the medical condition of the player that was in a diabetic coma. Everyone else would just be guessing.

tigerseye said:
This past weekend a guy who dominated the winners bracket and was sitting in the hot seat had Diabetes coma....

The place called the EMT and they brought him back to his normal....
Your opinion unless you asked specifically asked the Diabetic

Well he was able to play the final match and the TD said that he had to foreit him due to his disability and giving him 2nd place....
Again, your opinion, how did you know he was able to play the final match?

Did the diabetic argue with the TD?

From the time he fell out and the time he was to play was within 30 minutes and he had not went outside of the time limit for his final match...
and how is it determined he was able to play? and what time limit are you referring to?

Do you think that it was the correct call??
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wahcheck said:
We need to hear from the TD's side..........Perhaps there is something else we should know about it.....on the surface, from what you post, it seems like a real injustice, but we weren't there.......
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I agree with you fully here. This is a tough call to make from our seats. I feel badly for the player and his condition as well as the TD>
 
It is a tough call to make...it depends on other factors. But I'd probably let him play if he wanted to.
 
good point

Tom,

A good point about everybody else being guessing, that often includes the medics also. It definitely includes the TD which is why the player should have been allowed to play if he announced himself ready to play before the deadline for forfeiting the match. How many people are allowed to play legally drunk? All of the same things apply, perhaps more so since without being there it is impossible for us to know the level of recovery of the diabetic.

Bottom line, if he felt fit to play before time for a mandatory forfeit he should have been allowed to play. If not he should have been forfeited and the other player given first. It would have been a wise decision for whomever was putting on the event to give him free entry in their next event if he failed to make the time limit, putting the funds for his entry into the purse themselves if they forfeited him due to health but there would be no requirement to do so.

Nobody, including the person that was given first, was likely to be happy with this call.

Hu


Tom In Cincy said:
IMO, A lot more questions needing answers before anyone can form an informative opinion on this ruling.

Diabetics may be back to normal sugar levels after 30 minutes, but that doesn't mean they are capable of normal tasks. If I may take a guess, very few pool players are doctors.

At this venue I would also guess that the parimedics were the only ones qualified to give an accurate opinion as to the medical condition of the player that was in a diabetic coma. Everyone else would just be guessing.
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I had a man in my Tournament that was getting weak. His heart was racing! You could see the veins in his neck pounding. He won the hot seat! He had bowed out of a previous event due to health issues.

Our cue repair man is a paramedic and was very alarmed at him continuing. He asked for a short break before starting the finals, which I gave him.

He went on to win the Event.

Ray
 
winner

tigerseye said:
This past weekend a guy who dominated the winners bracket and was sitting in the hot seat had Diabetes coma....

The place called the EMT and they brought him back to his normal....

Well he was able to play the final match and the TD said that he had to foreit him due to his disability and giving him 2nd place....

From the time he fell out and the time he was to play was within 30 minutes and he had not went outside of the time limit for his final match...

Do you think that it was the correct call??
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Any connection between the TD and who took first? If not then what reason did the TD give for the forfeit?
 
I saw BAD CALL..
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mr8ball said:
Was the guys name Mike Triplett?? If so He comes to our area and has them all the time and has had some of them while playing. If he said he could play they should have let him. Sounds like the TD just didn't want to see him win, no matter who it was or maybe he had something going with one of his buddies that was in the tournament and that was his way of getting his money. JMHO
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No his name is Jeff Pruitt from Kernersville N.C.
I know of a Mike Triplett from Va....Is that who you are talking about?
Also is this Doug from Breakzone Billiards in B-town n.c.?
 
Seen it Before

Happened in my poolroom. The guy passed out. His sugar had gotten out of wack. We gave him some juice. He checked his sugar was back in 5 minutes
playing at the same level as before. In fact I believe he won that match.
No harm no foul. Bad decision by the TD.
 
tigerseye said:
This past weekend a guy who dominated the winners bracket and was sitting in the hot seat had Diabetes coma....

The place called the EMT and they brought him back to his normal....

Well he was able to play the final match and the TD said that he had to foreit him due to his disability and giving him 2nd place....

From the time he fell out and the time he was to play was within 30 minutes and he had not went outside of the time limit for his final match...

Do you think that it was the correct call??
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Hell no! sounds like he got cheated
 
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