Dieckman Sayzzzzzzzzzz......

It takes two

If two people are arguing both are in the wrong.

I have a suggestion.

How about everyone that is not directly involved in volunteering to make a cue or asking for one to be made delete their post and get back on track with this thing.

If youve got a beef with someone involved in this thread or an opinion of whos right or wrong take it to PM email or phone.
 
TellsItLikeItIs, I have a suggestion. I Think Arnot need to make a public apology - To The USBA players not supporting American Cuemaker and his inaccuracy statement about stainless steel pin when no "self-respecting 3C player" would own a billiard cue with anything but a wood pin?

I own numerous American Cuemakers cues, and an Xmember of USBA because my money can be use to help 3cushion tournament more and this the way I support USBA .
 
billiardshot said:
TellsItLikeItIs, I have a suggestion. I Think Arnot need to make a public apology - To The USBA players not supporting American Cuemaker and his inaccuracy statement about stainless steel pin when no "self-respecting 3C player" would own a billiard cue with anything but a wood pin?

I own numerous American Cuemakers cues, and an Xmember of USBA because my money can be use to help 3cushion tournament more and this the way I support USBA .
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Do you play pool? Maybe that's why you have many pool cues. You no longer belong to the USBA but when you were, was billiards all you played or did you also play pool? When you were serious about billiards did you use a billiards cue or a standard pro taper cue? Now if it was a billiards cue was it a metal pin or a wood one? Of the top billiard players do you know what percentage use wood pin versus metal.
There aren't many very serious billiard players in my area but those who are mostly seem to prefer a wooden pin. The others just use regular pool cues with standard tapers. They aren't serious enough to even get a straight taper.

What I'm trying to get at is if those who are really serious enough to have a custom billiard cue built for them what pin they prefer, not just what is readily available and can be adapted cheaply.

Dick
 
rhncue said:
Do you play pool? Maybe that's why you have many pool cues. You no longer belong to the USBA but when you were, was billiards all you played or did you also play pool? When you were serious about billiards did you use a billiards cue or a standard pro taper cue? Now if it was a billiards cue was it a metal pin or a wood one? Of the top billiard players do you know what percentage use wood pin versus metal.
There aren't many very serious billiard players in my area but those who are mostly seem to prefer a wooden pin. The others just use regular pool cues with standard tapers. They aren't serious enough to even get a straight taper.

What I'm trying to get at is if those who are really serious enough to have a custom billiard cue built for them what pin they prefer, not just what is readily available and can be adapted cheaply.

Dick
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rhncue, Just read or view some of my posts. I have both Billiard and Pool Cues all of different taper and joint. I play both pool and carom game.
 
Cue Guru said:
I have worked up a drawing, so if anyone deeds dimensions on the cue graphically, based on Mr. Dieckman's original post, I have them.

PS the joint diameter will be 0.880 assuming you go with 56 inch OAL.
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Basically a 56" house cue .:eek:
Looks like a .014" taper per inch.
 
billiardshot said:
rhncue, Just read or view some of my posts. I have both Billiard and Pool Cues all of different taper and joint. I play both pool and carom game.
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So your answer to questions is to for me to root through and read your 2300 posts. Great answer for someone who apparently doesn't want all the facts easily known. I guess I'm to take that to mean that the reason you have frequented and purchased cues off of American cue makers were for pool cues but not necessarily billiard cues and you don't want to state openly here if your playing billiard cue had a wood pin nor if many if not most of the top billiard players used a wood pin. I don't really care what billiard cues you have collected but what it was that you preferred using.

Dick
 
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I Have
Three Schuler with Both Pool And Carom Shafts Two Brass pin / one steel
a Dieckman Pool Cue with a Radial Pin
two Dieckman Carom Cue One wooden Thread ,one with Sang Lee Spec with a Radial Pin
I mainly play carom with the Sang Lee Spec Carom Cue.

My Collection include CrownCue and I will buy a Crown Carom Cue with a 3/8 x 10 metal Pin. Once they get them make.

Now finish doing the research you can start here on Deno website http://www.3cushion.com/On Line Collection/Cues/lambros.htm or http://www.schulercue.com/usacarom.html
 
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billiardshot said:
I Have
Three Schuler with Both Pool And Carom Shafts Two Brass pin / one steel
a Dieckman Pool Cue with a Radial Pin
two Dieckman Carom Cue One wooden Thread ,one with Sang Lee Spec with a Radial Pin
I mainly play carom with the Sang Lee Spec Carom Cue.

My Collection include CrownCue and I will buy a Crown Carom Cue with a 3/8 x 10 metal Pin. Once they get them make.

Now finish doing the research you can start here on Deno website http://www.3cushion.com/On Line Collection/Cues/lambros.htm or http://www.schulercue.com/usacarom.html[/QUOT

Thank you for the information. It is always much quicker to ask someone who already knows the answer than having to do hours of research. I know little of billiards although a room I used to manage had a billiard and a snooker table. As i had said earlier, billiards is no longer popular in the Cincy area as it was many years ago. Some Asians used to come in and play some straight rail and every once in awhile there were a couple of good 3-rail players who had their own cues and they were wood pinned. I have no clue what the brand was. I just had always heard that billiard players preferred wood pins, butterfly butts for stiffness and European tapers, also for stiffness. The reason for the questions is that often people have many styles of cues but prefer one over the others. It was brought out that there are a few cue makers in this country who build billiard cues with metal pins but it was not stated what the real aficionados preferred. I know that when I was younger I shot pistol competition and at one time had 55 hand guns made by many companies but for PPC competition I always used just one. Many of the other hand guns cost more but it did what I expected.

Dick
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Dick here a double threaded Adams carom Cue mainly sold oversea. http://www.dsbillar.com/paginas/serieDS/ebano.htm

This why I made a comment and correction on Arnot statement. And there more proof if needed.
Dick - Have you make any carom cue?

A survey was done a few years back on Carom Players cue they were using, tip type, and shaft/tip size. I would have to also research or look in my file to find the survey. H.martin have a who who of 3C Players using his cue.
 
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TellsItLikeItIs said:
If two people are arguing both are in the wrong.

I have a suggestion.

How about everyone that is not directly involved in volunteering to make a cue or asking for one to be made delete their post and get back on track with this thing.

If youve got a beef with someone involved in this thread or an opinion of whos right or wrong take it to PM email or phone.
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I had a long winded response, and decided it wasn't worth it. Instead, I've decided a short response is better. Deickman made a request of this community, and Arnot decided to make an attack, instead of a cue or no comment at all. Deickman responded and since then, Arnot has taken offence to a remark, but didn't address his own comments that were, at best, not accurate, and offensive. If any apologies/deletes should be made, it should come from Arnot first. If so, I for one, will delete my posts.
Evidently, even though someone posts their complete info all the time, doesn't mean they are any better than anyone else when it comes to their behavior.....it just shows their condecending, back thumping, attitude instead
JMO
Dave
 
I read the entire thread and all that was said. So did thousands of other people. Repeating all of it will not make things better so
I wont quote your post Dave. Especially the last line.

My suggestion was offered only to help the thread move forward and gather more interest. I have absolutely no interest in
3 cushion and have no money or time invested in the game or the equipment so it really doesnt matter diddly to me. I couldnt care
less what kind of pin is used in the cues.

Both of them could have used more restraint in their remarks and both were out of line in what they said. Instead of looking for the
common ground between the two of them they chose to go the route they did. Happens every damn day here dont it. The first person
makes a unpleasant remark and the second person has to top it.

Im not going to defend either one of them. Ive talked with both of them over the years and had good conversations. I like them both
as a person but I also know both of them can get a little rough over the internet. So what else is new around here.
 
Dave38 said:
I had a long winded response, and decided it wasn't worth it. Instead, I've decided a short response is better. Deickman made a request of this community, and Arnot decided to make an attack, instead of a cue or no comment at all. Deickman responded and since then, Arnot has taken offence to a remark, but didn't address his own comments that were, at best, not accurate, and offensive. If any apologies/deletes should be made, it should come from Arnot first. If so, I for one, will delete my posts.
Evidently, even though someone posts their complete info all the time, doesn't mean they are any better than anyone else when it comes to their behavior.....it just shows their condecending, back thumping, attitude instead
JMO
Dave
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I did not attack anyone. I posted my reasons for not donating a 3C Billiards to an orginazation that had not benefitted most cuemakers.
I did not make it a personal attack and I certainly did not lower myself to
resort to name calling like Diekman did. When someone referrs to me in the same vain as Hitler's Minister of Propanda I am seriously offended."

You call this simply a "remark". I put it in the same class of words that we in a civilized society know not to use because of their hateful origin.

I have alway felt that every post in this forum should contain full
identification of the poster. It has nothing to do with being condecending, back thumping or attitude.
 
Arnot Wadsworth said:
I did not attack anyone. I posted my reasons for not donating a 3C Billiards to an orginazation that had not benefitted most cuemakers.
I did not make it a personal attack and I certainly did not lower myself to
resort to name calling like Diekman did. When someone referrs to me in the same vain as Hitler's Minister of Propanda I am seriously offended."

You call this simply a "remark". I put it in the same class of words that we in a civilized society know not to use because of their hateful origin.

I have alway felt that every post in this forum should contain full
identification of the poster. It has nothing to do with being condecending, back thumping or attitude.
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You know, you need to back up from yourself and take a good look. Almost all your posts come across as offensive. I really think you have a lot of pent up hate or something, perhaps you need to go out and beat up on something, start drinking or just get out.
 
More info on thread
http://translate.google.com/transla...IQ7gEwAQ&prev=/search?q=adam+japan+cues&hl=en

http://translate.google.com/transla...IQ7gEwAQ&prev=/search?q=adam+japan+cues&hl=en

http://www.joba.net/CommercePortal/pdf/3930.006_2.pdf

http://users.skynet.be/billard.billiards/cue.htm

What was those words use by a Master Cuemaker "I also wonder why it is suddenly ok to bulld a 3C Billiard Cue with a stainless steel pin when no "self-respecting 3C player" would own a billiard cue with anything but a wood pin? " Shame shame when you don't do your research.

Let me not forget Layani Cue [a member here on AZ Forum] and his special thread and Check out the 3C players in the player section.http://www.layanicues.com/sitexml/Files/main-en.html

In all Fairness read this
http://www.3cushion.com/On Line Collection/Cues/hadrianus2005.htm

Then see what he did play with
http://www.3cushion.com/On Line Collection/Cues/lambros.htm

Why there so much misunderstanding about carom cue!


So not to HiJack Thread

I hope most of Dieckman fellow cuemakers will consider on building carom cue whether to donate or letting The Carom Players be aware which cuemaker have the capability to build one.
 
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Kelly_Guy said:
I noticed that also and thought it interesting. Mill both sets of threads in the same set up so they are in phase I presume.

Kelly
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Kelly,

I have built a shaft for this joint before. On the one we did, the outside threads were very shallow, and were really just a "Formed" thread". I didn't even cut them. When the shaft was threaded on the first time, they were formed by the collar.

I don't really think it makes a difference anyway, because one screw is sufficient to tighten the shaft to the butt. I mean, once it is tight enough to not move, then tighter doesn't do anything.

Royce Bunnell
www.obcues.com
 
RBC said:
Kelly,

I have built a shaft for this joint before. On the one we did, the outside threads were very shallow, and were really just a "Formed" thread". I didn't even cut them. When the shaft was threaded on the first time, they were formed by the collar.

I don't really think it makes a difference anyway, because one screw is sufficient to tighten the shaft to the butt. I mean, once it is tight enough to not move, then tighter doesn't do anything.

Royce Bunnell
www.obcues.com
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The outside threads look shallow in the pic as well. It does seem like over engineering to me as well, but still interesting why someone would think it useful.

Kelly
 
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