cheesemouse said:Russ you are such a self inflated dork it makes me SI...
Why, thank you!! To paraphrase I think it was either Grady M. or Billy I. when they were commentating on a match,
"I have never been accused of having no ego."
Russ
difference between a gambler and a money player
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Why, thank you!! To paraphrase I think it was either Grady M. or Billy I. when they were commentating on a match,
"I have never been accused of having no ego."
Russ
Russ Chewning said:
Darn, I thought you would take offense to my comment. Being a gambler and a money player myself now I know you would be easier to 'trap' than I thought....hehehe
cheesemouse said:
Lol, I said I had an ego, not that I am a sucker. I never met a champion who didn't have a fairly big ego. Well deserved, but still. Benny Conway Jr., Richie Richeson, Robb Saez, etc in Florida haven't managed to trap me in a game yet, so..... I am very much aware of where my game needs to be to beat pretty much the full spectrum of players. I am in the process right now of arranging for an extended (one year) vacation around a Diamond Pro. I am open for trapping after that!
Russ
A couple of differences in "gamblers" and "money players"......
Gamblers ride the tide of emotion. They are playing for the ritual of the gamble, and the feeling it gives them. The money becomes an almost non issue. They feel they can beat the game, they "feel" they have the edge........ be it intelligence, common sense or talent. They are doing it to prove something to themselves as much as they are to whatever supernatural force they feel dictates the outcome.
Money players are a different breed alltogether. Their only concern is cash flow. The purpose of their betting is to keep the cash moving towards themselves and keep their losses to an absolute minimum. They work off of knowledge of the odds, little is left to feel. They "do" have the edge.
Want to see the difference..... go to a casino, or a racetrack or a cardroom, pool room etc etc and sit back and watch. Most of the people you see betting will be gamblers, they are there for the fun and the atmosphere, or to prove something........ the money players are a little harder to see. They will come in, go straight over to what they came there to do, place their bets and wait for the result. There is no showing of emotion, they are doing a task. When their goal has been accomplished, they stand up and leave.
Betting at pool, with the exception of true hustling..... is for the most part gambling. There is nothing for certain in the bet if the game is fair...... it is up to chance. What I mean by that.... if the game is lopsided, say Efren vs a beginner, and no weight is being given.... its not fair and the odds fall heavilly on Efren winning. Make it Johnny Archer vs Efren, and it is almost a coin flip situation. Its gambling.
Compare that to how a money player works. Take Cornbread Red for example. Billy was a money player for the most part, and with that he would make the game in his favor and win. He used his knowlegde of how to make the game to control the outcome. And the cash flowed into his pocket.
Money players dont like to take chances, it doesnt work towards their goal. Gamblers......... the chance is their goal.
Chuck
Gamblers ride the tide of emotion. They are playing for the ritual of the gamble, and the feeling it gives them. The money becomes an almost non issue. They feel they can beat the game, they "feel" they have the edge........ be it intelligence, common sense or talent. They are doing it to prove something to themselves as much as they are to whatever supernatural force they feel dictates the outcome.
Money players are a different breed alltogether. Their only concern is cash flow. The purpose of their betting is to keep the cash moving towards themselves and keep their losses to an absolute minimum. They work off of knowledge of the odds, little is left to feel. They "do" have the edge.
Want to see the difference..... go to a casino, or a racetrack or a cardroom, pool room etc etc and sit back and watch. Most of the people you see betting will be gamblers, they are there for the fun and the atmosphere, or to prove something........ the money players are a little harder to see. They will come in, go straight over to what they came there to do, place their bets and wait for the result. There is no showing of emotion, they are doing a task. When their goal has been accomplished, they stand up and leave.
Betting at pool, with the exception of true hustling..... is for the most part gambling. There is nothing for certain in the bet if the game is fair...... it is up to chance. What I mean by that.... if the game is lopsided, say Efren vs a beginner, and no weight is being given.... its not fair and the odds fall heavilly on Efren winning. Make it Johnny Archer vs Efren, and it is almost a coin flip situation. Its gambling.
Compare that to how a money player works. Take Cornbread Red for example. Billy was a money player for the most part, and with that he would make the game in his favor and win. He used his knowlegde of how to make the game to control the outcome. And the cash flowed into his pocket.
Money players dont like to take chances, it doesnt work towards their goal. Gamblers......... the chance is their goal.
Chuck
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I find it interesting that you think the money player is the lock artist.RiverCity said:
I will always believe the gambler is the selfish, deceitful image. The money player (match player), plays for the game more than the money on the line.
If you limit the question to the game of pool I don't think the terms can be separated, they overlap. In keeping with axiom like terms......."it takes a bit of the gambler to get the game on and it takes a bit of the money player to take the game down"
Money players and gamblers.
Money players are those that like to lock horns with the odds in their favor. They are not hustlers in the sense that they will be deceitful while setting up the mark. They will use all the information that they can get to make the gmae so that the odds do favor them in the matchup. This is because they are not in it for the thrill of winning, they are in it for the money.
Gamblers on the other hand are in it for the thrill, for the adreneline rush. They are usually seen as the target for good money players. In pool, a gambler can be a good player but the money player knows that if he can fade the hot streaks he will come out ahead in that matchup.
Money players are those that like to lock horns with the odds in their favor. They are not hustlers in the sense that they will be deceitful while setting up the mark. They will use all the information that they can get to make the gmae so that the odds do favor them in the matchup. This is because they are not in it for the thrill of winning, they are in it for the money.
Gamblers on the other hand are in it for the thrill, for the adreneline rush. They are usually seen as the target for good money players. In pool, a gambler can be a good player but the money player knows that if he can fade the hot streaks he will come out ahead in that matchup.
Gamblers bet to see what happens. Money players bet because they are confident that they know what will happen.
Gamblers are playing. Money players are working.
Gamblers get some pleasure out of losing; it gives them the attention of martyrdom. Money players take no joy in losing.
Gamblers are like fish; they do not plan, they just take what comes their way. Money players are like dolphins; they plan their work and work their plans.
Fishing is more fun than hunting dolphin.
Gamblers are playing. Money players are working.
Gamblers get some pleasure out of losing; it gives them the attention of martyrdom. Money players take no joy in losing.
Gamblers are like fish; they do not plan, they just take what comes their way. Money players are like dolphins; they plan their work and work their plans.
Fishing is more fun than hunting dolphin.
One of the best articles I've read on this subject was written by David Sapolis. "Gone fishing".
The gambler is one thing.
Then there is the Hustler and the The road player (who are the Money Players to me).
The difference according to him is well explained. Pretty interesting.
http://www.easypooltutor.com/article271-pg-2.html
-Sensation
*The good pool player... we don't care.
The gambler is one thing.
Then there is the Hustler and the The road player (who are the Money Players to me).
The difference according to him is well explained. Pretty interesting.
http://www.easypooltutor.com/article271-pg-2.html
-Sensation
*The good pool player... we don't care.
In my experience, money players use the money as a motivator to play at their top level - and winning NEVER takes precedence over integrity.Onemoreyouth said:
Gamblers, on the other hand, will bet on any game (like they need a fix). There is also a wide spectrum of the types of gamblers, with the worst kind doing anything to win - including gaming, cheating, lying, sharking, hustling, etc. etc. Integrity is never a concern, as most hard-core gamblers will sell you down the river to get the $5.00 in your pocket...
There are, however, some people that are addicted to gambling, but do have some integrity - but in the pool world, we usually come across hardened gamblers that taint the image of pool for the rest of us.
-td <- just my $0.02
td873 said:
Right. It's just bad business to damage one's reputation among potential customers.
What they're really betting on is that they're "smarter" than you.
The money player's bread and butter.
Hardened gamblers who lack integrity bet on anything. So I don't associate them with pool or the game's image. They're just an unpleasant, ubiquitous fact of life, like farts.
I'm not trying to derail your thread or anything (I've debated it with my various poolhall friends over the years) but we sure seem to spend an awfull lot of time defining terms around here. It's amazing we can communicate at all really.
Alex
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