Differences 860 and 860HR

Bigkahuna

Bigkahuna

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Anybody using the 860HR? I am considering doing some upgrades to my table as I am just not happy with the cloth and cushions I had selected for my table last year.

On the Simonis website they say that 860HR is slightly faster than 860. They also say that 760 is slightly faster than 860 and I think 760 is way faster. It is my understanding that 860HR is the 760 cloth and they do something different to the finishing process to get it to the 860 speed.

Has anyone had any experience with the difference between 860 and 860HR?

I wish the table supplies industry would have some sort of universal rating system for the speed of cloth and cushions. That information is out there for cue tip hardness why not cloth and cushions?
 
I'm pretty sure the "HR" means it is more resistant to humidity and also less prone to stains and things of that sort. RKC or some other installer would probably be good to ask, as they would have "real world" expirience with all types and brands of cloth.
 
coryjeb said:
I'm pretty sure the "HR" means it is more resistant to humidity and also less prone to stains and things of that sort. RKC or some other installer would probably be good to ask, as they would have "real world" expirience with all types and brands of cloth.
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Actually, HR stands for High Resistance.... principally from heat-induced ball marks. Here's a C&P from poolfelt.com website concerning 860HR.

I can't speak personally to how it plays differently from 860, as I haven't swapped out my 860 for 860HR... yet. :wink:

Here's the C&P...


SIMONIS 860HR (High Resistance) PROFESSIONAL
PREMIUM GRADE POOL TABLE CLOTH
*** SPECIAL OFFER ***
Get 2 FREE BOXS of Matching Cue Chalk and
Free Shipping with Simonis 860HR Orders
Recommended for 8', 8'OS and 9' tables.
71% Wool - 29% Nylon Professional Pool Table Cloth
Specially made for high resistance to ball marks and enhanced durability.
Designed for commercial applications but also suitable for home use.
Speed rated faster then standard 860 but slower then 760.
PreCut for the Rails and Bed & Free Rack Spot Included
 
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Bigkahuna said:
Anybody using the 860HR? I am considering doing some upgrades to my table as I am just not happy with the cloth and cushions I had selected for my table last year.

On the Simonis website they say that 860HR is slightly faster than 860. They also say that 760 is slightly faster than 860 and I think 760 is way faster. It is my understanding that 860HR is the 760 cloth and they do something different to the finishing process to get it to the 860 speed.

Has anyone had any experience with the difference between 860 and 860HR?

I wish the table supplies industry would have some sort of universal rating system for the speed of cloth and cushions. That information is out there for cue tip hardness why not cloth and cushions?
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860HR has the same blend of wool/nylon that 760 has, but has the same thread count as 860. The difference is that 860 is 90/10 wool/nylon. The shaving process is also changed a little, as to not shave the exposed wool fiber ends as close to the weave of the thread, leaving more or less a 100% wool surface on the cloth, which is why the cloth don't mark up nearly as much as the 760 use to.

Glen
 
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Glen,

Thank you for the break down on the 860HR. Do you have any comment on the speed compared to 860?
 
RealKingCobra just recovered my Diamond pro Am with 860HR and the table plays absolutely perfect. I think the speed is pretty consistent with the old 860. Maybe a little faster as it is new. I am not getting the white burn marks on the cloth from racking and breaking. Also, you don't get the black chalk marks like with the 860.
 
realkingcobra said:
860HR has the same blend of wool/nylon that 760 has, but has the same thread count as 860. The difference is that 860 is 90/10 wool/nylon. The shaving process is also changed a little, as to not shave the exposed wool fiber ends as close to the weave of the thread, leaving more or less a 100% wool surface on the cloth, which is why the cloth don't mark up nearly as much as the 760 use to.

Glen
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Glen - You are the man. Bring some HR with you next time you come through Phx!

-Carlos
 
back2good1 said:
Glen - You are the man. Bring some HR with you next time you come through Phx!

-Carlos
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I agree. My table looks like a constellation map with white burn marks.
 
Black-Balled said:
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I haven't been around AZ long, but one thing I have noticed is every post I am interested in, you have some crack comment 2 or 3 posts down from the original, or in this case, a picture of something completely off the wall that has nothing to do with the post. Can you explain this picture please.
 
Mantool said:
I haven't been around AZ long, but one thing I have noticed is every post I am interested in, you have some crack comment 2 or 3 posts down from the original, or in this case, a picture of something completely off the wall that has nothing to do with the post. Can you explain this picture please.
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Looks like George Clinton to me.
 
860hr

You WILL still get ball marks in the rack area and the break trails. They are just not as pronounced. The dye is also supposed to be reformulated to resist fading.

Glen can probably elaborate on that.

Ray
 
9 on the snap said:
Looks like George Clinton to me.
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Aahh, I see. So the "king of funk" has had so much exposure to lit cigarettes and joints falling on his skin that he could be called "High Resistance" just like Simonis has labeled their new cloth. Now it makes sense to me. B-balled, sorry for questioning the relevancy of your post.
 
Bigkahuna said:
Anybody using the 860HR? I am considering doing some upgrades to my table as I am just not happy with the cloth and cushions I had selected for my table last year.

On the Simonis website they say that 860HR is slightly faster than 860. They also say that 760 is slightly faster than 860 and I think 760 is way faster. It is my understanding that 860HR is the 760 cloth and they do something different to the finishing process to get it to the 860 speed.

Has anyone had any experience with the difference between 860 and 860HR?

I wish the table supplies industry would have some sort of universal rating system for the speed of cloth and cushions. That information is out there for cue tip hardness why not cloth and cushions?
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RKC just recently covered my son's table with 860HR, it plays great and is FAST.
 
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