Differences 860 and 860HR
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I have had 860HR for a month now and my table is getting about 8 hours of play a day or more since its been on and it has a zillion burn marks on it. Dont worry about that it has them from breaking, where the balls lay before they are broke(and we NEVER tapped them in), where the CB lands after the break, same as regular 860. I thought in the beginning that I was gettting less burn marks but now that the cloth is broke in, it burns just as easy(perhaps not at first at best). The table has not been played on by any bangers at all, Its been used for banks, 1P, 9,10 ball only. And practice drills, nothing abusive.
I went to Simonis website and read about it, I'd like to get a ramp built and roll a ball the same distance down it onto the cloth and measure 860, 860HR and 760 and see which one rolls the fastest. the 860 and 860HR seem about the same to me and the rest of us here.
Mike Massey was just here for a few hours messing around on it, he might know a little about cloth and adjusting to different conditions, he said "its slippery and long" but "ok". It is different thats for sure. He said it was also obvious that it is well broke in and not playing like new cloth. Its kinda strange cause it is slipery sometimes and other times rough. Its ok, i'm not in love with it, but it aint bad.
As far as "High Restance" goes I think the name says it all its made for use in commercial applicatios that are tough, drink spills, rough play, and its long lasting, it seems like it will out last regular 860, there are a couple divits from masse' or jump shots and they didnt cut to the slate like on regular 860 would happen, I know I miscued on a jump that should have went right through the other night it cue down into the cloth but not the whole way through, its kinda like it had a backer cloth for lack of a better description, there is a hole but not the whole way through the cloth, the table has 3 such divits now, one is mine. no biggie i dont worry about it, but it is interesting, it is defantly a different product than 860, perhaps more different than they say,
but next time i will take regular 860 unless the worlds swithches over to HR(I hope not)
I went to Simonis website and read about it, I'd like to get a ramp built and roll a ball the same distance down it onto the cloth and measure 860, 860HR and 760 and see which one rolls the fastest. the 860 and 860HR seem about the same to me and the rest of us here.
Mike Massey was just here for a few hours messing around on it, he might know a little about cloth and adjusting to different conditions, he said "its slippery and long" but "ok". It is different thats for sure. He said it was also obvious that it is well broke in and not playing like new cloth. Its kinda strange cause it is slipery sometimes and other times rough. Its ok, i'm not in love with it, but it aint bad.
As far as "High Restance" goes I think the name says it all its made for use in commercial applicatios that are tough, drink spills, rough play, and its long lasting, it seems like it will out last regular 860, there are a couple divits from masse' or jump shots and they didnt cut to the slate like on regular 860 would happen, I know I miscued on a jump that should have went right through the other night it cue down into the cloth but not the whole way through, its kinda like it had a backer cloth for lack of a better description, there is a hole but not the whole way through the cloth, the table has 3 such divits now, one is mine. no biggie i dont worry about it, but it is interesting, it is defantly a different product than 860, perhaps more different than they say,
but next time i will take regular 860 unless the worlds swithches over to HR(I hope not)
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Fatboy said:
At the risk of pointing out the obvious, is your difference possibly due to the way balls that have just been cleaned play vs. balls that need to be cleaned?
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I just put the HR on my Kim Steel table and it still gets the white marks. It is a week old so I am not sure if it is any more or less than the regular 860. The speed is good and it looks great. I will know more in a month or so, but right now I like it.
fd_colorado said:
good point but no, infact i have a Diamond ball polisher(the best thing I have ever owned!!!) and have tried my balls at different levels of ditryness and used Aramith and Centennial balls with blue circle CB, spotty CB bith old and new ones. all possible combinations. The clean balls get more kicks(skids) my balls(centennial) are dull right now and are playing great, also if the table is too clean thats a problem for kicks, its best with a slight blue tint to it(its a green table).
We have played on it for 12 hours or longer since my post yesterday(not me I only played 5 hours) but its had 12 hours of play on it and its dirty and playing better, when it gets too dirty it plays like any dirty table, the only talc is baby powder no cone junk allowed. its being played on right now by some C players playing 8 ball, i'm going to play tonight late(practice drills), my point is I have used this cloth alot and paid very careful attention, to it and as far as the white marks not happening thats a fantsey, I have as many as any table.
As a side note one player here tonight has 760 on his table in NYC in his basment(I suggested 760 to him) he said "with out a doubt 100% (the HR here in Vegas) is faster" than his 760. I know him well he is smart and experienced enough to know, we argued about it for a while(he is from NY and like to argue), his basement is REALLY wet, so that explains that.
Dartman said:Try a damp cloth wipedown at the end of the day and see if that helps.
Didn't you know Fundamentals of Arguing was a required course in NYC high schools?
The 860HR will not enliminate the burnish markes left by back spining the cue ball, but it is not as dominate in the marking as it is on the 90%wool, 10%nylon 860 Simonis. If anyone had 2 tables side by side, with equal play, you'd see the difference
Glen
Dartman said:Try a damp cloth wipedown at the end of the day and see if that helps.
Didn't you know Fundamentals of Arguing was a required course in NYC high schools?
we didnt use a damp cloth on it for about the first 10-14 days, now we do every 4th day or about 30-40 hours of play. Its getting ALOT of use since its been recovered. it plays better a bit dirty,
LOL i only missed spelling class, not arguing class. and NO it dosent stop the white marks! it is great cloth for sure, and it does stop the white marks when its NEW, but when its broke in its the same(Glen has left town by then so he dosent see them :smile: ). Its meaninlgess as the white marks dont matter, like rubber on the road its part of life, it plays nice and reliable and is good cloth, I just like regular 860 a little better. :smile:
Fatboy said:
Hey Fatboy,
I usually don't respond to your posts just because it seems offensive to start out, "Hey Fatboy" like I was starting a fight in High School.
Anyway, you don't have to build a ramp. Just take a combination square take the ruler off and using just that prop it up on the rail. There is a groove the ball can roll in and you can use the ruler to measure how far up the ruler you are going to develop more speed. I have done this and can get balls to stop within an inch of each other rolling them one after the other.
BK
OK fatboy, tell everyone how to clean a pool table now...:rotflmao1:Fatboy said:
Glen!
Are there plans to produce HR versions of the other Simonis offerings? I think a 300HR would be be good.
Or: Glen! Please tell the Simonis folke to make us a 300HR.
Are there plans to produce HR versions of the other Simonis offerings? I think a 300HR would be be good.
Or: Glen! Please tell the Simonis folke to make us a 300HR.
No plans to make a 300HR, but if you want to eliminate humidity from it, and don't have a heated slate, throw an electric heating blanket over the table over night, and it'll be perfect when you get ready to playBlack-Balled said:Glen!
Are there plans to produce HR versions of the other Simonis offerings? I think a 300HR would be be good.
Or: Glen! Please tell the Simonis folke to make us a 300HR.
Glen
HR on my Gold Crown
Glen installed HR on my Gold Crown during the first week of January. Actually I think it is just a bit slower than non HR 860. I love it and think it is sweet for 1P play. I'm not using mine very much compared to the amount of play Fatboy is getting on his table. My cloth is breaking in really nice.
--Jeff
Glen installed HR on my Gold Crown during the first week of January. Actually I think it is just a bit slower than non HR 860. I love it and think it is sweet for 1P play. I'm not using mine very much compared to the amount of play Fatboy is getting on his table. My cloth is breaking in really nice.
--Jeff