differences in Simonis cloth speed

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I have noticed that my 9' Brunswick Gibson w/ Simonis 860 at home plays slower than several other tables I have played on.

I was just up at Johnny Archer's room where they put new Simonis on for last week's tournament and the tables were like lightning.

When comparing how tight the cloth is I really can't tell any significant difference.

I keep my cloth and balls extremely clean with brushing and a ball polishing machine.

Any thoughts?
 
My table is also very slow. I have Simonis 860 installed by a professional. When I go the pool halls the tables are much faster and easier to draw on. It almost seems like they have different cloth. I have the same cue ball, same balls and same cloth yet mine is much slower. I asked them and they said they had 860 also. Could be humidity I guess. My cloth seems to be tight so I don't think it has to do with how tight the cloth is.
 
joelpope said:
I have noticed that my 9' Brunswick Gibson w/ Simonis 860 at home plays slower than several other tables I have played on.

I was just up at Johnny Archer's room where they put new Simonis on for last week's tournament and the tables were like lightning.

When comparing how tight the cloth is I really can't tell any significant difference.

I keep my cloth and balls extremely clean with brushing and a ball polishing machine.

Any thoughts?
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Does your room have high humidity? BTW...How nice do the tables play in Archer's room....I know Mark Gregory did them they must be dialed in.
 
joelpope said:
I have noticed that my 9' Brunswick Gibson w/ Simonis 860 at home plays slower than several other tables I have played on.

I was just up at Johnny Archer's room where they put new Simonis on for last week's tournament and the tables were like lightning.

When comparing how tight the cloth is I really can't tell any significant difference.

I keep my cloth and balls extremely clean with brushing and a ball polishing machine.

Any thoughts?
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I keep saying this, but it seems to fall on def ears. Open table speed can be checked with a ramp meter, or 2 shafts off a cue. Roll the cue ball down the 2 shafts at a natural roll and measure how far the cue ball rolls. Then do the same test on other tables you think play faster than yours.

Balls coming into contact with the rails can appear to come off faster or slower than your table. This is not a good comparison of the speed of the Simonis cloth...as the cushions change the whole thing. The cushions are totally miss interpreted as the speed of Simonis cloth...when they have nothing to do with the cloth at all.

You'd be surprised at how the cloth from one table to the next if installed tight...plays at the same speed, under the same circumstances...as long as the cushions are not tested.

Cushions are a whole different story all together.

Glen
 
joelpope,

Is there a chance that you have 860 and Johnny Archer's room has 860HR? The HR is quite a bit faster than the standard 860. Or so it seems to me.

-Howard
 
Archer's room

I hadn't thought of that, maybe it is HR

To the other question, the tables played well, I'm not a huge fan of Olhausen tables but i didn't heard anything but positive comments
 
I think i've heard that that room of johnny's uses 760. One of our local rooms does that which makes a hard transition from my table with 860hr to their 760. My cushions play faster and their beds play faster. Not for dead sure but I think ive heard they were using 760.
 
realkingcobra said:
I keep saying this, but it seems to fall on def ears. Open table speed can be checked with a ramp meter, or 2 shafts off a cue. Roll the cue ball down the 2 shafts at a natural roll and measure how far the cue ball rolls. Then do the same test on other tables you think play faster than yours.

Balls coming into contact with the rails can appear to come off faster or slower than your table. This is not a good comparison of the speed of the Simonis cloth...as the cushions change the whole thing. The cushions are totally miss interpreted as the speed of Simonis cloth...when they have nothing to do with the cloth at all.

You'd be surprised at how the cloth from one table to the next if installed tight...plays at the same speed, under the same circumstances...as long as the cushions are not tested.

Cushions are a whole different story all together.

Glen
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Thanks Glen. is there a decent average on what the roll should be coming off of a pair of shafts? No rails involved, just the shafts.

Thanks
 
I have done this on my GC2 with Simonis 860 and I get 28 inches of natural roll after the cue ball is off of the shafts.

Is this normal?

Glen, sorry I cannot stop worrying about it I am slightly OCD

:)




realkingcobra said:
I keep saying this, but it seems to fall on def ears. Open table speed can be checked with a ramp meter, or 2 shafts off a cue. Roll the cue ball down the 2 shafts at a natural roll and measure how far the cue ball rolls. Then do the same test on other tables you think play faster than yours.

Balls coming into contact with the rails can appear to come off faster or slower than your table. This is not a good comparison of the speed of the Simonis cloth...as the cushions change the whole thing. The cushions are totally miss interpreted as the speed of Simonis cloth...when they have nothing to do with the cloth at all.

You'd be surprised at how the cloth from one table to the next if installed tight...plays at the same speed, under the same circumstances...as long as the cushions are not tested.

Cushions are a whole different story all together.

Glen
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Tony_in_MD said:
I have done this on my GC2 with Simonis 860 and I get 28 inches of natural roll after the cue ball is off of the shafts.

Is this normal?

Glen, sorry I cannot stop worrying about it I am slightly OCD

:)
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Checking the roll on one table alone, does not constitute research, that would require the same test be performed on several different tables with the same cloth to determine if the roll on your cloth is faster/slower/same as the other tables.

Shafts off cues only work repeatedly when you are the one using them, they can't represent shafts used by others, ie...differnt shafts...different results.

Glen
 
yep got that covered only using two brand new matched set of shafts from my new cue.

Off to the local retirement home they have 2 olhausen tables with 860 simonis I am going to measure their speed after I get robbed playing the old guys one hole.

They love when I come over
:)



realkingcobra said:
Checking the roll on one table alone, does not constitute research, that would require the same test be performed on several different tables with the same cloth to determine if the roll on your cloth is faster/slower/same as the other tables.

Shafts off cues only work repeatedly when you are the one using them, they can't represent shafts used by others, ie...differnt shafts...different results.

Glen
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Might be interesting to...

Might be interesting to standardize this. Find some form of universal wedge shaped devises (old fashioned door stops come to mind) or set a standard, maybe 30" long pieces of flat wood stock, .750 high at the back with a straight taper to maybe .5 at the front and see what everyone gets using the same apparatus.
 
pocketpared said:
Might be interesting to standardize this. Find some form of universal wedge shaped devises (old fashioned door stops come to mind) or set a standard, maybe 30" long pieces of flat wood stock, .750 high at the back with a straight taper to maybe .5 at the front and see what everyone gets using the same apparatus.
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Are you talking about a ramp meter?...:thumbup: Already made, just not in wide distribution...because no one really cares about the cloth speed...because they're going to play the table anyway:smile:
 
realkingcobra said:
Are you talking about a ramp meter?...:thumbup: Already made, just not in wide distribution...because no one really cares about the cloth speed...because they're going to play the table anyway:smile:
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This is a ramp I use to roll a ball with no english.
 

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That's what I'm talking about.

That's what I'm talking about. We had posts where everybody compared how many rails you could get, straight up and down. I'd buy a standardized ramp just for a conversation piece and to check out friends tables and maybe the occasional table in a room.

Or, at least set a standard so someone could make their own. Where can one buy a ramp meter?

It would be interesting to check a tables speed as the humidity changes.

And, btw, don't think this wouldn't open up the opportunity for an occasional wager if things got slow in a room.
 
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