Different between half joint and full joint in terms of hit

sluggerknuckles

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Can some of the cuemakers comment on the difference between and half joint and a full joint in terms of hit and feel.

I recently ordered a custom cue and I ordered a phenolic half joint. I was delivered a stainless sleeve full joint.

Its too late to send it back and I have never hit with a stainless joint nor a stainless sleeve joint so I was wondering what the difference is between the two in terms of feel.

Thank you in advance
 
So you ordered a guitar and got a banjo and you can't send it back. Really? Wow! You can do a search for feel of stainless joints or phenolic and have enough reading for a day or two.
 
If it's not the cue you ordered why can't you send it back?

That is the same thing I am wondering myself. Can you elaborate on why it's "to late" to send it back? Also, if it is the cuemaker that is saying you cannot return the cue will you please post or pm me who built your cue? I can understand if you don't want to post who it is but, I believe A LOT of people would like to know who it is so they can stay away from said cuemaker.

I think it's bs to deliver a cue that wasn't completed as ordered and then say you cannot return it. I think the majority of others will feel the same way.


Good luck with getting this resolved.

Junior
 
Here is what I don't understand. Based on your post you are 100% sure you can not return cue. Based on that I am wondering why you have not hit some balls and answer the question yourself? I am not saying getting custom wrong is right I am saying we are hearing one side of a story.

If you are 100% right I think the readers of this thread should know. If you do not want anyone to know the question could have been asked without mentioning what a Custom Cuemaker did.
 
the back story

So I ordered a cue from a well know cue maker after sending him a Davis blank ordered from a well known dealer.

We talked twice in the early part of the build and gave him my requests. I thought all was well. I was sent pictures of the cue almost complete about a month ago. Originally, I asked for diamonds in the butt and I got a hoppe ring. We talked about the pros and cons of both in the beginning, but I remember saying I wanted rings and inlays. Mistakes happen and I can live with a hoppe ring.

So after I received the pics a month ago, I posted a question in this forum about: how to much work is involved in changing the butt section, if this was a common occurrence, and how to handle this situation without upsetting anyone (I thought there might be some type of etiquette involved). Sadly enough, I received quite a few negative and nasty replies about "how I don't like a cue that I ordered before I received it or played with it." Antother was "so you don't like a cue that you did not receive nor held in your hands and want to change it at the last second.....not cool." Other responses stated how "cue making takes time and if I were to make changes I would be taking up valuable time as well as delaying other people's cues." Most said to sell it when I get it and order another one.....like I want to wait another year and a half. Also, all of those negative remarks made me feel like I was not only committing blasphemy but also that I was a complete moron when it came to cues.

I also ordered phenolic half joint because I think the look better than stainless. When I received the cue this week, I noticed that it was a stainless sleeved full joint. That is what prompted my post.

After the comments I read on here, I would assume that what it done is done. I still have a beautiful cue from a great cuemaker. Its not just what I originally wanted.

I thought maybe I would ask the question about the different joint so I can educate myself as I continue to become a better pool player in both technique and knowledge. I have never shot with a stainless steel joint or a steel sleeve.

If I were a cuemaker who spent time trying to create a solid cue for someone who is trying really hard to be a better pool player, I might be insulted if he complained about the joint. Although I have not hit the cue yet, I am sure it is a solid player. Also, in the beginning, I explained that I am passionate about pool and this was my first custom cue that I am ordering for myself directly from a cue maker, and all I ask is that he try his best to make me a great cue. The blank was hand picked out a batch based on tone and density from the dealer selling it. He took extra time to match the shafts to go with the cue. He called me when it was done and told me that " it was a VERY SOLID hitting cue".

I appreciate what it takes to build a cue as well as the experience it takes to do it well. I would not want to make the cuemaker feel upset, insulted, or made that I was unappreciative because I believe he really tried to make me a great cue.

t was a really good experience overall, and if this cue hits as well as I hope, I would order another cue from him that he will make from his own stock wood. I like the cue alot, but it still wasn't what I originally ordered.

Lastly, I would like to make ABSOLUTELY CLEAR that it was a great experience. The cue maker DID NOT tell me that I could not return the cue. I received the cue this week and have been working late and thus have not shot with the cue....although it is killing me! I merely assumed that the cue is done and I have a great cue. I assumed it would be a lot of work to make these changes from what I have read and don't even know if it would change the hit and feel of the cue (BTW....Thank You Eric crisp who was kind enough to answer my question from a technical standpoint with grace and manners!!!) To me, it is more of an aesthetics issue and personal preference. And I am positive that the cue would hit well regardless of the phenolic or stainless if the shaft and butt combo is spot on.

That being said, I asked the question in anticipation of what to expect with a stainless joint. No bad experience here, no hard feelings, and happy overall.
 
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A well made stainless jointed cue will give you the tool that all the major straight pool players used to win their matches. The Miz was adament that stainless cues played better posotion.
 
why does stainless play better position

THank you for chiming in Paul.

Can you please tell me why that is? Why would the joint material affect the play? I thought that the joint will affect the feel of a cue but not control of the cue ball. Any information you can shed on this would be much appreciated.....

BTW.... I am a big fan of your work. I just tried to trade a beautiful whisler and a very pretty plane jane Ned Morris for one of your cues from a dealer but he said no....
 
I AM NOT A CUEMAKER.


I feel you are doing yourself a disservice by NOT hitting with that cue. Or any cue for that matter. Why would you rely on someone else's opinion of how a cue "may" hit in relation to another? Try every cue you can get your hands on. Why depend on others to give you their experience when you can gain experience on your own?

In my opinion, people pigeonhole themselves into a particular setup with a cue. Try them all... And until you do, how will you truly know what is right for you?

Don't forget "hit" is subjective....





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I AM NOT A CUEMAKER.


I feel you are doing yourself a disservice by NOT hitting with that cue. Or any cue for that matter. Why would you rely on someone else's opinion of how a cue "may" hit in relation to another? Try every cue you can get your hands on. Why depend on others to give you their experience when you can gain experience on your own?

In my opinion, people pigeonhole themselves into a particular setup with a cue. Try them all... And until you do, how will you truly know what is right for you?

Don't forget "hit" is subjective....





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I agree. Go try your cue and let us know how you like it. I've played with both a lot of phenolic and stainless steel jointed cues and have had great examples of each. While they do feel different, I could easily play with either, they are both sound ways to joint a 2 piece cue. Your cue is made like the classics, Balabushka, Szamboti and countless others have made many cues for many champions with a steel joint...
 
The joint has nothing to do with cueball positioning. Yes, Mizerak was an awesome player, but that doesn't mean he knows anything about why a cue plays the way it does. I had one of his books. It was horrible. On top of it all, he didn't even know how to spell ferrule.

If you ordered a Corvette in red, would you accept one in yellow? If you wanted diamonds and got a Hoppe ring you got something completely different from what you asked for. Same goes for the joint.
 
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