Digitalpool brackets with buyback?

iusedtoberich

iusedtoberich

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Our local weekly tournament just changed from double elimination to single elimination to make it faster. They want to allow buybacks, and cannot figure a way to do it on the digital pool brackets. Ended up doing it on a paper chart instead. Does anyone know if it’s possible to have buybacks? Thanks.
 
iusedtoberich said:
Our local weekly tournament just changed from double elimination to single elimination to make it faster. They want to allow buybacks, and cannot figure a way to do it on the digital pool brackets. Ended up doing it on a paper chart instead. Does anyone know if it’s possible to have buybacks? Thanks.
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If you find out PLEASE notify Diamond immediately.
 
Assuming there's a redraw every round as at the Derby, there is no such thing as brackets. With brackets, you know that the winner will play one of two identifiable players next, and the same can be said of the loser. At Derby City, brackets would add zero value for either players or viewers, as they would change every round.

With buybacks, for practical purposes, every round is a new tournament.
 
Thanks all. This is not like the DCC at all. It’s a 32 man, regular, single elimination bracket where 26 people physically show up. The intent is for first round losers to fill the remaining 6 spots. Or, latecomers can take them.

Paper brackets have had this buyback “capability” forever, and most weekly local events I’ve participated in the past 30 years did this (using paper brackets).

We can’t figure out a way on digital pool. I emailed digital pool directly but no response.

Or another way to phrase it maybe specifically for digital pool, is does it allow late entrants to replace a "bye" after the tournament has already started, but before the first round has concluded.
 
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Just do a new single elimination trnmnt for every round where you have a buyback.
If there is a charge for that add it to the buyback.
 
I seriously doubt this is possible with Digital Pool.

Just stick to the paper brackets for this use case. They are simple and work.
 
Here's one way to have buy backs with about 26 players: run many single-elimination groups of four. If you win your group, you go onto the main board of 8 players. If you lose, you can get into another group. Once the prelims are done, start the final 8. I guess this would be 9 separate tournaments until DigitalPool adds the feature.

This is essentially the same buyback I recommended for DCC but on a smaller scale. They're sticking with their current "system".
 
Why don’t they just run it double elimination with the losers bracket being people that buyback. If they don’t buy back, you just mark them as a forfeit. Otherwise, like other people have said you’d have to change the whole format of the tournament.

Only way what you’re saying can work is if you can only buy back after the first round otherwise you wouldn’t need to fill up those 6 spots. you’d be too far along in the tournament and would have to redraw because those byes would already be gone. Seems kind of crazy format in that case. 10 people losing the first round, and only six can buy back. So im actually a bit confused. Is the buyback limited to 6 people?

26 players 6 have no opponent yet-10 winners 10 losers. Only 6 spots for those 10 losers? I guess it would make people play faster if it’s the first six out get the spots. And you can’t play round 2 without advancing those 6 first either

Why not just charge everybody extra based on how many players show up and keep it single elimination. If the point is to fill up those six spots and you got 26 players at $20 a pop you’re looking for 120 extra dollars so that be a $25 entry fee. I just don’t understand why you need to fill up the spots. That’s how luck of the draw goes. Now the tournament here charges an extra five dollars for administrative fees. Does the house take something off the top?
 
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alphadog said:
Why won't my suggestion work?
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I didn't quite understand, and thought you misinterpreted my question as a DCC format tournament.

Do you really mean draw a brand new bracket every round? That sounds like way too much work, and like the DCC, there is no "flow" to the matches and seeing who will play who, etc.
 
Good news, I heard back from digitalpool. It can be done manually right now, and they may add it to the future roadmap. Here is the response.

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iusedtoberich said:
I didn't quite understand, and thought you misinterpreted my question as a DCC format tournament.

Do you really mean draw a brand new bracket every round? That sounds like way too much work, and like the DCC, there is no "flow" to the matches and seeing who will play who, etc.
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So how do you place buybacks?
 
What if there are no byes?

Buyback only if you lose 1st round?

Why not lose in the tough half of the bracket to cruise through the easy half?
 
Willowbrook Wolfy said:
...snip... I just don’t understand why you need to fill up the spots. That’s how luck of the draw goes. Now the tournament here charges an extra five dollars for administrative fees. Does the house take something off the top?
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The double elim everyone liked because it gave players a second chance. But at the same time, it was taking WAY too long. At 2am, 1/4 of the field was still alive, with only 20 players to start. And the double elim remaining matches had to be played in series, not parallel, like they would towards the end of a single elim bracket. The idea with single elim was to make it go way faster. And the idea with buybacks (if the field does not fill the 32 man bracket) was to give some players a second chance.

I'm surprised not many have really heard of this? In the Philly area all throughout the 90's and 2000's every weekly tournament at 10 local rooms was done this way on paper brackets.

Me personally, if it was my tournament, I'd make it single elim with no buybacks. And encourage action afterwards!
 
alphadog said:
So how do you place buybacks?
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In the old days, a new "leg" of the bracket was started when it was paper. So the open spots, whether filled with re-buys or late entries, would all be at the bottom of the bracket.

It didn't really matter too much for weak vs strong players, as these were all local $5 and $10 handicapped events, where in theory, each player has an equal chance of winning due to the handicap.

With the tournament we tried this week, the byes were staggered equally on the first round. Then the rebuys were equally spaced in round 1.
 
alphadog said:
What if there are no byes?

Buyback only if you lose 1st round?

Why not lose in the tough half of the bracket to cruise through the easy half?
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Buy backs are only in the first round. If there are 30 players starting the tournament there are 2 buy baclks. if there are 32 players there are no buy backs. Buy backs occur as players lose on a first come first serve basis.
 
alphadog said:
What if there are no byes?

Buyback only if you lose 1st round?

Why not lose in the tough half of the bracket to cruise through the easy half?
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Buybacks would only be unit the bracket is full. We are trying a 32 man bracket. We were getting 15-20 players before with double elim, and taking way too long. Now we are aiming for 32 players, single elim. If 32 players physically showed up, there would be no buybacks.

The first week we got 24 physical players with the single elim, and with buybacks filled the bracket to 32. Def some growing pains, but it did finish sooner than the double elim with 20 players.
 
Bob Jewett said:
Here's one way to have buy backs with about 26 players: run many single-elimination groups of four. If you win your group, you go onto the main board of 8 players. If you lose, you can get into another group. Once the prelims are done, start the final 8. I guess this would be 9 separate tournaments until DigitalPool adds the feature.

This is essentially the same buyback I recommended for DCC but on a smaller scale. They're sticking with their current "system".
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Yeah, that's pretty good. With digital pool the way it is "now" though that would be a lot of work to do several brackets. Plus, right now with digital pool everyone has the link and can check on their phone where to see the bracket. That would all become confusing if there were now multiple links.
 
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