disgraceful is what it is!!!!

[JAM]

I have read all the posts and I don't see what the big deal is and why this is considered flaming. Anyways I posted the same thing when I gave corvette positive rep.

BVal

Corvette and I have had problems in other threads in the past, BVal. This is not the first thread I have engaged in a back-and-forth with him, targeting me. If you would like to take the time to search for the threads that Corvette was rude and antagnostic towards me on this forum, be my guest.

Your opinion about me is duly noted. I stand by mine about this topic!

JAM

 

[crosseyedjoe]

I fully agree. However then label as an Invitational and not a World Championship.

I think it comes down to ego and branding. I would bet some serious money that if I tried to hold a tournament in the USA called the 14.1 World Championship then I would hear from someone's attorney claiming that they "own" that name. And I think we are all sensible enough to know that being known as the person who put on The World Championship does far more for one's ego than being know for the XX Invitiational.

Grady is right, calling it a World Championship and making it into an invitational and NOT inviting the best living straight pool players is a disgrace, regardless of how you feel about them personally. From everything we know about Mosconi he was apparently quite a handful to deal with when got to criticizing. Can you imagine for one second that any promoter dared to exclude him from any Championship event because they didn't like him personally? I don't think so.

Let's just call a spade a spade.

As a player Grady Matthews deserved a spot in the World Championships based on his stature.

As a promoter Grady Matthews has a longer and more distinguished track record than Randy Goldwater and so has every right to comment on the format of ANY tournament anywhere. He has earned that right.

Would you have ever denied a better player a spot in your events just so you could play in it? In my tournaments small and medium sized I would always give my spot to any player who wanted it.

Randy can get total props for putting on something. Any event is better than no event. Let's just please not fool ourselves into thinking that this was a true World Championship. It wasn't and is therefore open to the type of criticism that it is getting.

Isn't every freaking tournament labeled as either World, Championship or combination, anyways?

 

[JAM]

Thank you.

Just a little tit-for-tat, here's the green rep I just got about YOU:

"Screw these monkies Jennie. They are not worth your troubles."

You know something, he/she is right. There is actually a bigger pool world out there than some of the trouble-makers that post on this forum.

JAM

 

[John Barton]

I still don't understand why you keep on bashing Randy, atleast he is doing something for 14-1.

Your problem is obviously with the world governing body, WPA, who allows this championship to be a World Championship. In that, I actually agree with you. But I also understand Randy who invites the players he wants, aslong as the WPA accepts it. A lot of people would have done the same.

I hope that next year there are very few invites and more qualifiers for the events, and I hope that the WPA says that this is a criteria for letting it be sanctioned as a World Championship.

I absolutely applaud Randy and whoever else had a hand in producing the event they did. By all accounts the participants and the spectators enjoyed the tournament.

I think that Randy and Company should not have even considered calling it a World Championships if they intended to select players as they did.

As I said I don't care who Randy invites as long as the tournament is billed accordingly. And just to be fair, somehow this has gotten on the idea that it is Randy Goldwater doing the inviting. More than likely is a shared decision as to who got invited spots. So I don't want to put it all on Randy, I was just echoing something someone else mentioned about Randy being the driving force behind this tournament.

 

[frankwhite]

My .02

1. i agree that many matches would be lost if accu stats was not here.

2. Accu stats charges WAY to much for a match on DVD.

3. Accu stats charges WAY to much for a match on DVD.

4. I'm glad other people are getting into the filming of pool matches. I hope compatition provides better, more, and cheaper dvd's.

You got to be kidding....
I know Pete which is Pat's brother and let me tell you these guys are great. I play in a weekly tourny w/ Pete, beleive me they know what there doing.....

 

[BVal]

Corvette and I have had problems in other threads in the past, BVal. This is not the first thread I have engaged in a back-and-forth with him, targeting me. If you would like to take the time to search for the threads that Corvette was rude and antagnostic towards me on this forum, be my guest.

Your opinion about me is duly noted. I stand by mine about this topic!

JAM

I was just mentioning how I didn't see it here (flaming). I don't have an opinion about you - at least not a negative one. I like reading your posts and the way you stand up for what you believe. That is what it is all about. I just think in this case - past experiences with Corvette are allowing you to over react a little. Keep standing up for what you believe.

BVal

P.S. Check your rep.

 

[corvette1340]

Corvette and I have had problems in other threads in the past, BVal. This is not the first thread I have engaged in a back-and-forth with him, targeting me. If you would like to take the time to search for the threads that Corvette was rude and antagnostic towards me on this forum, be my guest.

Your opinion about me is duly noted. I stand by mine about this topic!

JAM

Jam,
That is where you are wrong. You think that everyone targets you. If I see a thread in which I have a particular opinion then i post about it. I disagreed with Jay the other day about the whole George Bush/War/terrorism thread and we agreed to disagree. I pm Jay all the time about poker and what not. Southpaw is one of my good friends and we disagree all the time. Bruce B. is probably my best pool playing friend but in every thread about talent and desire I post about his abundance of one and lack of the other hoping to light a fire under his ass. The fact that we disagree about something is no reason to not remain civil to one another and start name calling or stating that I target you.

 

[Blackjack]

If you want to continue this negativity with me, I will take it up with the moderator. I am trying to ignore you attempts to flame me. I would respectfully request that you not continue this.

JAM

What about your attempts to flame everybody else? Why is it that when you disagree or tug on the nerves of others it always ends with you screaming for the moderators? After a while, perhaps they will see that it might be YOU that is the problem.

There hits a point when people will grow tired of you throwing your weight around and they will just stand up to you. IMO, you're not a player. Keith is. I respect him immensely for all that he is done. He is a legend worthy of all that comes with being a legend. He has earned that and I fully admit he is more of aplayer than I can ever hope and pray to be.

You are NOT Keith. I will respect you as a person - and I will give you the respect I give everybody else, but I will not respect some of the things that you say in this forum and the things that have gotten back to me through the grapevine. You not only argue with me, you argue with several others on a constant basis, so I don't feel as if I am out of line for pointing any of this out. You know I have taken strides to move forward from all of the butterness that has existed between us. I'm not moving forward any with that any more. I'll let you, Dave Wilson, Mike Howerton know that as well. Enough is enough.

 

[John Barton]

Isn't every freaking tournament labeled as either World, Championship or combination, anyways?

In other sports the World Championship is the pinnacle. And to get to the World Championships a participant has to earn their spot.

 

[punter]

I still am not getting why you are so hostile about this. Why is it that you get into flame wars with a lot of different people on here when it is ok for people to have different opinions? Your biggest argument is usually that you are older than the other person and that your opinion seems to carry more weight than theirs, but in reality you are the one that seems to act younger and very childish at times. You either start name calling like you have me, or you simply say "I'm leaving". Now how mature is that? I don't want you to avoid me and if you will recall I have sided with you in the past and posted on more than one instance about mutual friends/players that we know and stories about them. I appologize if I have upset you so much that you can't see what is wrong with your responses to me in this thread. I am going to be the bigger person and leave it at that.

The "bigger person" would not feel the need to point out that they were so. And once they said they would leave it at that, they would do so.

 

[bomber]

Lets see If I can make everyone mad! Here is the way it looks from the outside looking in on big time pool:

1. Not a lot tournaments because there is no legitimate money in pool.

2. You need sponsors to have tournaments.

3. We dont have sponsors because the general public could care less about
pool.

4. It seems that a WHOLE lot of people in pool want something for nothing.

5. A WHOLE LOT of people act like they are owed something now, for
something they did 20 years ago.

6. Pool has a bad reputation for a reason...deal with it...its the truth.

7. Pool players need to become organized and form a QUALITY players union if they want to change any of this stuff.

8. There needs to be a TRUE unified governing body of pool that EVERYONE recognizes.

9. Just because you are great at something...doesnt mean you should be rich.

10. If you thought you were gonna get rich playing pool...you were wrong...go to school and get a damn job. (Sorry, I just get tired of listening to crying about how much money people make...FOR PLAYING A GAME!!!!!!!)

Listen, I make 35,000 a year and work my tail off and I teach school. I influence the lives of hundreds of students every year and i make a whopping 35,000 a year. I have never once complained about my job and I have never once complained about my pay. I knew it was tough and pay diddly squat when I got into it. I am SICK and TIRED of pool players thinking that they deserve huge payouts in tournaments and stuff. They play a game for a living that 99% of the public could care less about. THINK ABOUT IT!

Listen, you guys...I love pool and I love pool players...but these discussions make a lot of people sick on this board. It gets really old. You must realize that pool is not a major sport and most people in the mainstream dont care. There is a ton of work to do in order to make this game great or whatever...but it is being done extremely wrong. My suggestion is to get a real job if you are not happy, and play this game as a hobby like the rest of us or begin to FIX the problems instead of fighting all the time.

I know that a lot of people will bash me for this post...I dont care. I love all of you folks and I love this board...but a lot of people on here need to start living in the real world. Another too...another poster made a great point about some of the more "veteran" posters. Just because some of us are young or we are new to the board, doesnt mean that our comments are invalid. Maybe some a fresh perspective is what the board and pool needs.

Peace
Aaron

 

[Blackjack]

I fully agree. However then label as an Invitational and not a World Championship.

I think it comes down to ego and branding. I would bet some serious money that if I tried to hold a tournament in the USA called the 14.1 World Championship then I would hear from someone's attorney claiming that they "own" that name. And I think we are all sensible enough to know that being known as the person who put on The World Championship does far more for one's ego than being know for the XX Invitiational.

Grady is right, calling it a World Championship and making it into an invitational and NOT inviting the best living straight pool players is a disgrace, regardless of how you feel about them personally. From everything we know about Mosconi he was apparently quite a handful to deal with when got to criticizing. Can you imagine for one second that any promoter dared to exclude him from any Championship event because they didn't like him personally? I don't think so.

Let's just call a spade a spade.

As a player Grady Matthews deserved a spot in the World Championships based on his stature.

As a promoter Grady Matthews has a longer and more distinguished track record than Randy Goldwater and so has every right to comment on the format of ANY tournament anywhere. He has earned that right.

Would you have ever denied a better player a spot in your events just so you could play in it? In my tournaments small and medium sized I would always give my spot to any player who wanted it.

Randy can get total props for putting on something. Any event is better than no event. Let's just please not fool ourselves into thinking that this was a true World Championship. It wasn't and is therefore open to the type of criticism that it is getting.

John, I completely agree with you here. I think the problem is that there are not many straight pool events (internationally) except this one. Perhaps if there were more interest in the game, there would be a better system to hold qualifiers. Conflicting with other events is a major problem in that type of undertaking, but I am sure it can be worked out if the regional tours also assisted in helping with qualifiers for this event - that way nobody steps on anybody else's toes. There is always room for improvement, and because 14.1 doesn't get as much attention as 9 ball or 10 ball, we are happy with what we can get when its there. If the sponsors understood that there is all of this interest in 14.1 - then perhaps we would get more events scheduled on the calendar - and the lesser known 14.1 players would increase their credentials at the same time.

 

[corvette1340]

The "bigger person" would not feel the need to point out that they were so. And once they said they would leave it at that, they would do so.

I agree with you. Therefore I will be the bigger person and not respond anymore in this thread. Damnit, did it again!

 

[moneyplays]

grady

Grady i agree with you charlie williams is a jackoff! He doesnt have a clue in running a professional tournament! He is one of the reasons pool cant get ahead. Just look at the bullshit he pulled at the world summit of pool!!

 

[punter]

I agree with you. Therefore I will be the bigger person and not respond anymore in this thread. Damnit, did it again!

Corvette is getting smaller with each post

 

[corvette1340]

Grady i agree with you charlie williams is a jackoff! He doesnt have a clue in running a professional tournament! He is one of the reasons pool cant get ahead. Just look at the bullshit he pulled at the world summit of pool!!

lol, on so many levels.

 

[bigskyjake]

Grady i agree with you charlie williams is a jackoff! He doesnt have a clue in running a professional tournament! He is one of the reasons pool cant get ahead. Just look at the bullshit he pulled at the world summit of pool!!

TAP TAP TAP

 

[corvette1340]

Corvette is getting smaller with each post

I see what you mean...

 

[Terry Ardeno]

Isn't every freaking tournament labeled as either World, Championship or combination, anyways?

No.
But I wish that in each of the main disciplines in pool (14.1, 8 ball, 9 ball, 10 ball, banks and 1 pocket) we would have a legitimate (not invitational only) World Championship each and every year.

If we could somehow have those IN THIS COUNTRY, I believe it would give our great sport another growth spurt.

Just the words "World Championship" convey a sense of greatness. Maybe Joe public would be a little more interested if we had the same amount of exposure in the land as the other popular sports do. What I mean by that is not running tapes of tournaments after they were played 3-6 months ago. How many would tune in to the Super Bowel if it was played in February but shown on TV in June? That's what pool has to fade.

 

[corvette1340]

No.
But I wish that in each of the main disciplines in pool (14.1, 8 ball, 9 ball, 10 ball, banks and 1 pocket) we would have a legitimate (not invitational only) World Championship each and every year.

If we could somehow have those IN THIS COUNTRY, I believe it would give our great sport another growth spurt.

Just the words "World Championship" convey a sense of greatness. Maybe Joe public would be a little more interested if we had the same amount of exposure in the land as the other popular sports do. What I mean by that is not running tapes of tournaments after they were played 3-6 months ago. How many would tune in to the Super Bowel if it was played in February but shown on TV in June? That's what pool has to fade.

Terry,
I'm quite sure that almost none would tune it to the Super Bowel even if it was live. Possible sponsors might include Pepto and Imodium. No doubt the Browns would win this.