Do carbon fiber shafts make the game easier?

[Texas Carom Club]

The two I had both had taper rolls, and looked at a friend's, also taper roll

Not that I'm picky about a tip roll it was just something I noticed about every cf shaft I've been around

 

[Swighey]

Short and long answer is no. The difference they do make is more money for the cue makers.

Play with whichever cue you feel comfortable with. If you believe that a CF shaft is better than a traditional one then you will probably play better with a CF one. If you believe it makes no difference then probably whichever one feels better is best.

Low deflection players generally play better than high deflection players.

 

[S.Vaskovskyi]

If short they definitely help the kids to have no dings in their black shafts and their parents to have less $$$ in their pockets.
The rest when it comes to help their game is my major interest as a coach.
Or can I just build them those magic cf shafts and that's it? Why putting years working with them if the recipe for success is so damn simple as it was mentioned?

 

[RADAR]

I think that most professional player are playing modern LD shaft, because most of these top players have sponsoring contract with the cue brands that want to sell the LD stuff. Look at the level that Strickland, Bustamante, Reyes and all the other older players had, they showed their beste game with standard maple shafts or similar, but not with these super LD shafts like Z2, revo, ignite, cuetec, ex pro etc. I think this way reflects more the real situation than just comparing actual tournament wins ..

3 players mentioned also won majority events before carbon took over so a different time my friend! Hate say carbon taking the market out and its a part of life much like electric cars are the new advancement in todays world. Crazy i know, see both sides of the issue.

 

[garczar]

3 players mentioned also won majority events before carbon took over so a different time my friend! Hate say carbon taking the market out and its a part of life much like electric cars are the new advancement in todays world. Crazy i know, see both sides of the issue.

CF shafts are like baking a cake in that you can make same shaft repeatedly. No wood to cure, warp, dent, etc. Before much longer you'll see very few wood shafts at higher levels of play. Even at my local amateur level you see them everywhere.

 

[Patrick Johnson]

Many of whom were at plateaued in their game for maaaaaaaaany years, changing to CF and a few months afterward and I can see a huge improvement, and I know that it's only due to the CF and nothing else, even if they themselves don't know it and they'll tell you that they have been practicing more because ppl love to be self-credited, its a human nature.

They're right. You're wrong. It's called "new cue syndrome".

pj
chgo

 

[RADAR]

CF shafts are like baking a cake in that you can make same shaft repeatedly. No wood to cure, warp, dent, etc. Before much longer you'll see very few wood shafts at higher levels of play. Even at my local amateur level you see them everywhere.

100% fact i agree.

 

[td873]

There is definitely a semantics issue when discussing CF shafts. "Play better" is too subjective to provide a meaningfully/scientifically/statistically valid response. However, what is objectively accurate is that many CF shafts benefit from being low deflection. I did choose "benefit" intentionally because I believe that word is an accurate descriptor. Specifically, while there is a substantial debate on whether low deflection provides improved results, the reality (in my opinion, so perhaps my reality) is that low deflection shafts provide a larger "core" zone of contact spots (sweet spot) where you do not have to be actively consider squirt. Again, putting aside semantics and academic arguments, what that meant (again, to me), was that I could implement using inside English for shape much easier than with a "normal" shaft. That, in and of itself, not only increased my options, but it also increased my potting percentage when using inside English. That is, without anything other than converting to CF (read, low deflection), my level of play did increase - even if I consider just this one small aspect. There have been other "improvements" for me as well, including things already mentioned like forgiving slight miss hits (without the space, that reads misshits, lol).

It is quite impossible to quantify, but if I had to put some arbitrarily created brackets around it, I would say it has improved my overall game [5-15%] simply by converting.

Lastly, there is no doubt that poking a ball with a stick can be achieved with any manner of equipment. And, I was a long-time holdout thinking that any stick would allow me to play the game. But a top pro [multi-time world champion] advised me to convert because he converted and it improved his game. So, on his advice, I did switched. At bottom, after more than a year post-conversion, I have nothing but favorable feedback.

-td

 

[couldnthinkof01]

No.
The game is still as hard as it's always been.
Most shots are still missed because of pressure or poor position.
As long as it's straight and has a decent tip the shaft has about as much to do with winning and losing as the shirt on your back or the pair of socks your wearing.
Next time there is a big tournament in your area, don't play. Just watch and see why people lose.
Many times the ball is damn near straight in and they dog it or they hook themselves.
If you like the look, feel, durability, fancy marketing, or just showing off, by all means get the carbon fiber!

 

[smoochie]

They're right. You're wrong. It's called "new cue syndrome".

pj
chgo

So you already made a conclusion about people you don't know, the people that I observed. You concluded that they stuck using one cue for 20 yrs and only now they changed to a cf? which can make your theory correct.

However, these people are friends of mine for 20+ yrs, their level in-game is not that great, 3-4 inning each game, they suck badly with inside English or any medium-hard shots, and to falsify your theory they have changed their cues a thousand times in front of my eyes, so why did your "NEW CUE SYNDROME" theory was never applicable for them, they still sucked! changing from Meucci to Mcdermott to Schon, you name it! they've used many different shafts throughout the years, they were still a 3-4 inning players EACH GAME!

So now your conclusion is already false, you're wrong, they're wrong, I am right.

The moment they switched to CF, Revo or Cynergy, now they are a one-inning player within weeks, they can run out given the game is open.

Listen man, I've seen it over and over, this was not observed with one man. I know their levels, I see them change shafts and never get good. UNTIL they switched to CF, coincidence? or did they all of a sudden started practicing, or wait! the new cue syndrome only applys with CF in your book? haha, no listen it's the CF, it boosts your level a few notches whether you like it or not.

I know some people are anti-technology, or anti-CF, they still want to hold onto their "I'm a wood kind of guy" and I understand this because I was this person. I still feel with wooden shafts I got a better feel, but you can't beat reality, CF will boost your game you just need to accept it.

Now if a person does not accept it, because he's just a maple type of guy and hates CF, then of course he won't improve because he hates it! once you accept it and like it, you will jump a few levels, 100% guaranteed.

Now why this happens with CF? I got no clue, but as I said I've seen it many times with so many different folks. It isn't practice, isn't new cue syndrome, isn't more focused. It's just the CF solo-reason for upgrading a guy game from a 3-4 inning to a running-out type of guy.

 

[Thunder Thighs]

Low deflection players generally play better than high deflection players.

Curious. Please elaborate.

 

[Patrick Johnson]

It's just the CF solo-reason for upgrading a guy game from a 3-4 inning to a running-out type of guy.

Nonsense.

pj
chgo

 

[garczar]

So you already made a conclusion about people you don't know, the people that I observed. You concluded that they stuck using one cue for 20 yrs and only now they changed to a cf? which can make your theory correct.

However, these people are friends of mine for 20+ yrs, their level in-game is not that great, 3-4 inning each game, they suck badly with inside English or any medium-hard shots, and to falsify your theory they have changed their cues a thousand times in front of my eyes, so why did your "NEW CUE SYNDROME" theory was never applicable for them, they still sucked! changing from Meucci to Mcdermott to Schon, you name it! they've used many different shafts throughout the years, they were still a 3-4 inning players EACH GAME!

So now your conclusion is already false, you're wrong, they're wrong, I am right.

The moment they switched to CF, Revo or Cynergy, now they are a one-inning player within weeks, they can run out given the game is open.

Listen man, I've seen it over and over, this was not observed with one man. I know their levels, I see them change shafts and never get good. UNTIL they switched to CF, coincidence? or did they all of a sudden started practicing, or wait! the new cue syndrome only applys with CF in your book? haha, no listen it's the CF, it boosts your level a few notches whether you like it or not.

I know some people are anti-technology, or anti-CF, they still want to hold onto their "I'm a wood kind of guy" and I understand this because I was this person. I still feel with wooden shafts I got a better feel, but you can't beat reality, CF will boost your game you just need to accept it.

Now if a person does not accept it, because he's just a maple type of guy and hates CF, then of course he won't improve because he hates it! once you accept it and like it, you will jump a few levels, 100% guaranteed.

Now why this happens with CF? I got no clue, but as I said I've seen it many times with so many different folks. It isn't practice, isn't new cue syndrome, isn't more focused. It's just the CF solo-reason for upgrading a guy game from a 3-4 inning to a running-out type of guy.

Total bs.

 

[cueman]

Less deflection makes the game easier in my opinion, so yes they do.

Yes as far as pocketing balls. But I have not seen a carbon fiber yet that draws the cue ball as good as a wood shaft.

 

[garczar]

Yes as far as pocketing balls. But I have not seen a carbon fiber yet that draws the cue ball as good as a wood shaft.

HUH?? Every one i've tried(about 7) have all been awesome at drawing. Why wouldn't they??

 

[Swighey]

Curious. Please elaborate.

If it came across as flippant then that wasn't the intention and I apologise. If that's not the case then I see no need for me to elaborate and go in depth about a statement that clearly refers to "it's the player not the cue".

 

[cueman]

HUH?? Every one i've tried(about 7) have all been awesome at drawing. Why wouldn't they??

My experience is the opposite of yours.

 

[HawaiianEye]

My experience is the opposite of yours.

Everybody who has trouble drawing the cue ball with their wooden shafts marvel at how much better they can draw with my Becue.

 

[cueman]

Everybody who has trouble drawing the cue ball with their wooden shafts marvel at how much better they can draw with my Becue.

But can the people who can draw the cue ball good with their wood shaft draw better with your carbon fiber shaft?

 

[HawaiianEye]

But can the people who can draw the cue ball good with their wood shaft draw better with your carbon fiber shaft?

I can draw well with most any shaft, but I think I may be able to do it a little easier with the Becue shaft.

I have never really tried to compare them in any kind of test.

My Jackpot draws good.