Do you call your own fouls?

[jjinfla]

I have never played where there was a ref but that would be one case where I would not call a foul. That is the ref's job. And he can get help from my opponent. I am pretty sure that any ref would tell the player to shut up - that's my job - quit trying to show me up.

In league night the opponent is supposed to be watching the table at all times. If the opponent is a jerk I will not do his job for him. But most of the time I will call the foul, even when the opponent doesn't know it happened, and especially if it is a weak player. Besides, what difference does it make? I'm going to beat the weaker player anyway.

If I was playing for $1,000 a match, which I don't, or even $100 and it meant a lot to me, then hell no I would not call a foul. You snooze, you lose. And we are not talking about obvious fouls I presume. Only the suttle, hidden ones. At least I don't think I would, but who knows, I have never been in that situation and I just might call the foul as a reflex reaction before I even realized what I did.

The double hit foul is one that is pretty hard to see but the player can feel it most of the time. Yes, I will usually call that one. But again it depends on the circumstances. And what is at stake.

In general I will call the foul on myself 99% of the time. But then, winning a game, or a match, is not a life and death matter to me.

Jake

 

[sjm]

I frequently call fouls on myself, but I'd sure be calling a lot more of them if I played "all ball" fouls. I can't say why, but I seem to accidentlly move object balls more often than most.

Watching the World Straight Pool Championships, this rule came up numerous times. In the round of 16 match between Max Eberle and Danny Barouty, each player called a foul on himself. It reminded me of an absurd incident at the 1982 World Open 14.1 Championship when a player lost his turn because the bowtie on his tuxedo fell off and landed on the cue ball. Ouch!

 

[PoolSleuth]

You are either honest or you are not. That's the bottom line! My integrity is way more important than any game. I am very suprised at some of the responces here.
Purdman

Some people play mostly for FUN, and if there is a FOUL it is no Big Deal, as it is a FUN GAME with ZERO at stake ...

 

[cubswin]

Some people play mostly for FUN, and if there is a FOUL it is no Big Deal, as it is a FUN GAME with ZERO at stake ...

so you and your opponnent in this game have no desire to win the game, or pride in how you play game? Just first year ball bangers with expensive cues and cases. Interesting.

 

[PoolSleuth]

so you and your opponnent in this game have no desire to win the game, or pride in how you play game? Just first year ball bangers with expensive cues and cases. Interesting.

Most of local game are for fun, and if someone make a minor foul like moving a ball with there body it is over looked, or the ball is moved back and the game continues like ZERO HAPPENED. We seldom play for money, and we play for FUN, Enjoyment, and a lot of time is spent Socializing.

Most of these people I play with are not hard core players, who are getting ready for the BCA, or DCC. It is social pool, and few fouls get called.

The few time I have PLAYED in Local Tournament in a Bar, or Pool Rooms when a Pot was at stake. The Player them selves were aware of their opponents Actions, and if a Foul was Committed. It was called, and Player lot turn or?

I know I will never be the NEXT Earl, or Efrin, and yes playing will is a goal. But winning a big Tournament is not in my future, so we play for fun, and forget the small stuff as life has too many other stress to worry about in the later years of life. Like wakeing up on the GRASS side of the Dirt each day.

 

[danlamb]

absolutely

Every time.This game is still a hobby for most.If you have to cheat to win then you should give up the game and play rock,paper,scissors.

 

[wayne]

Have any of you ever NOT called a foul on your opponent when you both know there was a foul, but they didn't say anything? It happens in 1 pocket, and by calling the foul a ball will get spotted possibly screwing up the position you have. So I HAVE cheated by NOT calling a foul on the other guy to gain a perceived advantage.....if that counts.

Gerry

That is not cheating, there are situations where you are not required to call a foul on your opponents shot even if there was a foul, it is your option. Even if the shooter says he fouled it is still your option whether or not you want to call the foul in certain situations.

Wayne

 

[supergreenman]

I don't foul (just kidding) when I do I will always call it.

If a person isn't known for his/her integrety then what do they have? Not only that, if you are known for being less than honest it allows others who are less than honest to use that against you and perhaps call fouls on you that never happened.

BTW beating cheaters is one of the sweeter victories out there.

 

[cubswin]

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so no one calls a foul then? That I can understand. Your banging balls around for no purpose other than to bang balls around if I understand you right.

 

[PoolSleuth]

so no one calls a foul then? That I can understand. Your banging balls around for no purpose other than to bang balls around if I understand you right.

READ Post # 25 above, if you do not understand the post. I can not help you...

P.S. where did you find the word "Placeholder"????

 

[Nick B]

If it's just for fun why do you insist on slug racking opponents?

If it's just for fun why do you insist on slug racking opponents?

http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=34397

I play in a local Mens Group a couple of time a month. If I Rack for the other Team, I Rack LOOSE. If they look, and ask for a re rack I re rack, if they do not they suffer from not looking.

Asking for a Re Rack, so you Get a Tight Rack IMO is within your rights...

 

[asiasdad]

Your karma is why you got no car

If it's just for fun why do you insist on slug racking opponents?

http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=34397

I play in a local Mens Group a couple of time a month. If I Rack for the other Team, I Rack LOOSE. If they look, and ask for a re rack I re rack, if they do not they suffer from not looking.


When you act like a shit, shitty things happen to you. The best anti theft device for your next vehicle may very well be better karma

 

[Peer]

Purdman wrote:
> You are either honest or you are not. That's the bottom
> line! My integrity is way more important than any game.
> I am very suprised at some of the responces here.

I totally agree -- and I also believe in the "mojo" aspect of most everything; what goes around, comes around.

For example, a couple of weeks ago our team was playing this other team at the weekly 8-ball pool-league. One of the first matches was Tim on my team playing the team-captain on the other team. I didn't see who broke, but I watched Tim running the table all the way to an easy shot on the 8-ball. But just when he's about to sink it, his opponent steps up, "Hold it, you have been shooting my balls", takes ball-in-hand and pockets the eight.

Naturally we got into a verbal ping-pong fight, but in the end the winning argument was simply that "Tim should've watched his own game more closely." However, after that it was like "bat out of hell" -- our team suddenly had a mojo to play better than ever.

So not only did we win, but I also think we kept some of that integrity which Purdman talks about. To me, the moral of the story is that this integrity doesn't only applies to playing pool, but to life in general -- if you are a cheat, it will sooner or later catch up with you. Most definitely.

-- peer

 

[Steve - Detroit]

I always call them, happened just a couple weeks ago in an APA City-Cup match. I was down on a shot taking practice strokes and touched the cue ball. Opponent didn’t see it and neither did anyone else, cue ball didn’t move more than an eighth of an inch, if that, but I knew what I did. I stood up and handed the cue ball to my opponent. Got a surprised WTF look from them and some hard stares from a couple of my teammates but in my mind it was the right thing to do. Can’t remember now if I won or lost that particular game but I do know I won the match.

 

[jjinfla]

I always call them, happened just a couple weeks ago in an APA City-Cup match. I was down on a shot taking practice strokes and touched the cue ball. Opponent didn’t see it and neither did anyone else, cue ball didn’t move more than an eighth of an inch, if that, but I knew what I did. I stood up and handed the cue ball to my opponent. Got a surprised WTF look from them and some hard stares from a couple of my teammates but in my mind it was the right thing to do. Can’t remember now if I won or lost that particular game but I do know I won the match.

That type of foul I would be embarrassed not to call.

I see a lot of, shall we say, inexperienced players, do that and keep shooting. For the most part they just don't realize what they did or just don't know. So I let it pass. Like I say, if I can't beat a smuck then what business do I have playing?

Jake

 

[jjinfla]

so no one calls a foul then? That I can understand. Your banging balls around for no purpose other than to bang balls around if I understand you right.

It all depends on the situation, and the player, and where the moon is aligned. And mostly the relationship you have with your fellow players. Some players here want to play real strict, all balls fouls, and you must call your own. When we play that way we do call all fouls. That is what is understood. Of course leaning over and the shirt touches a ball can, and will, be called by the opponent because the shooter can't see it.

If I go up to the club, which I do daily, and play someone 40 to 50 games of 8 or 9 ball do I really care what happened in game 23?

Life is way to short to sweat the small sh**.

I agree with post 25.

Jake

 

[jjinfla]

Here's one. Did you ever go to the table after your opponent missed a shot, take your shot, and have your opponent ask you why you didn't take ball in hand since he never hit a rail after contact?

That has happened to me a few times. I was drinking my beer, or talking and wasn't paying attention so I didn't know I had BIH. And his oh so sincere question was his way of zinging me.

But all of you super pious players who claim to be oh so great on calling fouls will think nothing of sharking an opponent. Now that is really cheating at the highest level.

Jake

 

[Rich R.]

But all of you super pious players who claim to be oh so great on calling fouls will think nothing of sharking an opponent. Now that is really cheating at the highest level.

Jake, just because you had one sleazy player do this to you, it doesn't mean that anyone on this forum would do the same. Don't group the avid sportsmen and women on this forum with the sleazy players you will no doubt find in every pool room. However, this guy's actions do not give you permission to do the same thing.

If you are not part of the solution, you must be part of the problem.

 

[BRKNRUN]

Even if you playing just for "fun" by not calling a foul on yourself, you are cheating your opponent out of the opportunity of the winning feeling.

also...I don't think it your opponents responsibilty to sit there and watch your every move to see if you foul. If the shooter thinks the shot they are going to shoot is going to be close, they should offer the opportunity for the other player to watch the hit, or have the hit watched.

The arguement that if they are not watching they deserve to not have fouls called is stupid...If thats the case, why not (when the player is not looking) just rake all the balls into the pockets and say you ran out......Really...What is the difference? (either way your a cheat)

So now if ever I (have) to play PoolSleuth, I wll need to get the CSI crew to inspect his rack, and after every shot I will call "FOUL".....that should be alot of fun!!

I am sure glad I don't have to play Golf against any of these "If you don't see it it's not a foul" people..

 

[PoolSleuth]

So now if ever I (have) to play PoolSleuth

You need not worry about that as I do not play Tournments in the Valley, as they are most in the Night, and I very seldon venture out after dark, as I have BAD Night Vision problems, and would be a Danger to other Drivers on the Road...