Nice to hear my inner dialogue tell me I’m not crazy for having an inner dialogue, lulz
Its fine to ask yourself questions, and its also fine to answer them.
However, it is never acceptable to ask yourself to repeat something. :thumbup:
Nice to hear my inner dialogue tell me I’m not crazy for having an inner dialogue, lulz
Its fine to ask yourself questions, and its also fine to answer them.
However, it is never acceptable to ask yourself to repeat something. :thumbup:
So I recently read an article that was incredibly surprising to me -- that not every human being has the ability to conduct an internal monologue with themselves:
https://ryanandrewlangdon.wordpress...-internal-monologue-and-it-has-ruined-my-day/
IOWs, some people can't silently talk to themselves inside their brain.
How is this possible?!
So anyways, I was thinking about this as it pertains to pool and was wondering if, ferinstance, while I was playing Francisco Bustamonte at the DCC a few days ago, was I having an internal monologue during my runs during which I talked and debated with myself about what to do next on each shot.
And I came to the conclusion, that even though I can and do have internal monologues with myself, when I'm shooting pool, especially when running balls, I do not have an internal monologue going on and my thought process becomes unspoken and abstract. Crazy.
How about youz? Do you have or not have internal monologues, particularly when shooting pool?
Lou Figueroa
So I recently read an article that was incredibly surprising to me -- that not every human being has the ability to conduct an internal monologue with themselves:
https://ryanandrewlangdon.wordpress...-internal-monologue-and-it-has-ruined-my-day/
IOWs, some people can't silently talk to themselves inside their brain.
How is this possible?!
So anyways, I was thinking about this as it pertains to pool and was wondering if, ferinstance, while I was playing Francisco Bustamonte at the DCC a few days ago, was I having an internal monologue during my runs during which I talked and debated with myself about what to do next on each shot.
And I came to the conclusion, that even though I can and do have internal monologues with myself, when I'm shooting pool, especially when running balls, I do not have an internal monologue going on and my thought process becomes unspoken and abstract. Crazy.
How about youz? Do you have or not have internal monologues, particularly when shooting pool?
Lou Figueroa
To answer your question first, I do have internal dialogue, lots of it. It is gender neutral English dialogue, sometimes analytical, other times conversational. I rehearse possible narrative conversations internally.
Several things came to mind when I read the article you linked.
First I read a book years ago that detailed the evolution of internal dialogue. It was called The Origin of Consciousness in the Breakdown of the Bicameral Mind by Julian Jaynes. The idea was that what we call consciousness evolved from a different type of internal experience, one in which the inner voices were the gods talking to them, or visions from the afterworld.
Modern thinking suggest it is experience translated into description.
Thinking in Words: Language as an Embodied Medium of Thought
https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/tops.12102
Dawna Markova developed a model that looked at the conscious, subconscious and unconscious mind as being prominent workspaces for what she termed VAK. That stands for Visual, Auditory, and Kinesthetic. It has long been known that people have different learning styles. Like handedness, our minds have a sensory preference. Markova said it went beyond that. People have a preference for each level of consciousness mind. The learning styles one just identified our conscious mind preference. The subconscious will be dominant in a different sense and the unconscious in the remaining sense.
I’m reminded of a story.
“There are these two young fish swimming along and they happen to meet an older fish swimming the other way, who nods at them and says “Morning, boys. How’s the water?” And the two young fish swim on for a bit, and then eventually one of them looks over at the other and goes “What the hell is water?”
Rather than thinking that the commenters who claim no awareness of internal dialogue as unevolved, I see them as having a “what the hell is water?” experience.
Evidence the fact that they formulated a dialogue to form as response in the forum. The mind generated the narrative. Markova says it may not be in immediate consciousness though.
An auditory aware version of dialogue in consciousness Is dominant in about 20-25% of the population. Since the subconscious is a transitory threshold, any formulated dialogue is capable of becoming part of consciousness. About 70% of us are visually dominant in consciousness. If the Markova VAK model is right, then about 90% of us are capable of bringing an internal voice into consciousness.
Another book that looks at the role of narrative thought in decision making is “Tempo: timing, tactics and strategy in narrative-driven decision-making” by Venkatesh Rao.
The Inner Game of a Tennis by Tomothy Gallwey suggests how to handle the inner dialogue in sport performance.
This really is crazy.
When I'm playing pool or just walking though life, I don't hear words in my head. But, pertaining to pool specifically. If I'm playing 9 ball for example and I break, I will take a look at the table and I see a picture of the table in my head.
If there are no problems, then I will see a picture of the first 3 or 4 balls that I need to run and which side of the ball I need to be on that 2nd or 3rd ball.
After the 2nd shot, I see a picture of the next 3 or 4 shots and repeat the process. In my head, I'm not hearing anything, but I'm seeing the ball come off the long rail drifting down for my next shot.
Does that make sense?
No i actually don’t have an English narrators voice as my internal dialogue. But the sound of the voice in my head is how I would assume people would imagine their voice to sound. But I would say mine is almost more of a whisper of a voice, in my accent. Almost silently mouthing to words to myself, but not physically. I don’t need an internal voice to tell me how to use my hand to pick things up. But as I’m making decisions or debating on how to handle different situations or to accomplish goals or so on and so forth, it’s almost as if I’m listening to myself explain things in order to further explore and build on certain ideas. As I accumulate information on whatever subject it may be, my thoughts evolve through the results of self explanation and discovery of different “dialogues” or “conversations”. I may be crazy, but since I’ve been this way my whole life I assumed everyone else’s brain thought the same way. I always imagined schizophrenic people hear voices that arent theirs or their voluntary thoughts. Voices of a different dialogue telling them things they may not want to voluntarily think about.
IMO, Lou has a better chance in psychology than he does in pool.
Lou, I thought I had to much time on my hands...
It's easy to see who is retired (to much time on hands) and who still works (not enough hours in the day).
At least it's not another thread about "which tip is best"...
Jeff
I wish my loud mouth brain would STFU and let me have peace in my life.
This is very interesting Lou, thanks very much.
Best regards,
Fatboy
Are we really just inventing a new term for being engaged in analytical thinking, asking ourselves questions, answering them, and then questioning the answers again? Does anyone actually hear voices or are you just understanding your silent thoughts? Can a mind really produce sound?
Yes, I do engage in dialogue with myself, constantly. But voices/sound? Not even when I'm thinking of a song...just words.
To answer your question first, I do have internal dialogue, lots of it. It is gender neutral English dialogue, sometimes analytical, other times conversational. I rehearse possible narrative conversations internally.
Several things came to mind when I read the article you linked.
First I read a book years ago that detailed the evolution of internal dialogue. It was called The Origin of Consciousness in the Breakdown of the Bicameral Mind by Julian Jaynes. The idea was that what we call consciousness evolved from a different type of internal experience, one in which the inner voices were the gods talking to them, or visions from the afterworld.
Modern thinking suggest it is experience translated into description.
Thinking in Words: Language as an Embodied Medium of Thought
https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/tops.12102
Dawna Markova developed a model that looked at the conscious, subconscious and unconscious mind as being prominent workspaces for what she termed VAK. That stands for Visual, Auditory, and Kinesthetic. It has long been known that people have different learning styles. Like handedness, our minds have a sensory preference. Markova said it went beyond that. People have a preference for each level of consciousness mind. The learning styles one just identified our conscious mind preference. The subconscious will be dominant in a different sense and the unconscious in the remaining sense.
I’m reminded of a story.
“There are these two young fish swimming along and they happen to meet an older fish swimming the other way, who nods at them and says “Morning, boys. How’s the water?” And the two young fish swim on for a bit, and then eventually one of them looks over at the other and goes “What the hell is water?”
Rather than thinking that the commenters who claim no awareness of internal dialogue as unevolved, I see them as having a “what the hell is water?” experience.
Evidence the fact that they formulated a dialogue to form as response in the forum. The mind generated the narrative. Markova says it may not be in immediate consciousness though.
An auditory aware version of dialogue in consciousness Is dominant in about 20-25% of the population. Since the subconscious is a transitory threshold, any formulated dialogue is capable of becoming part of consciousness. About 70% of us are visually dominant in consciousness. If the Markova VAK model is right, then about 90% of us are capable of bringing an internal voice into consciousness.
Another book that looks at the role of narrative thought in decision making is “Tempo: timing, tactics and strategy in narrative-driven decision-making” by Venkatesh Rao.
The Inner Game of a Tennis by Tomothy Gallwey suggests how to handle the inner dialogue in sport performance.
What is said in my head as I stand over the shot;
" I love to load the ball with juice, to see it dance and spin....it glides along the rail and knocks a few more in."
"Go ahead and jump up like a cobra just bit you in the ass, but do it on your final stroke."
"There's big Lola, you know she only dates champions and players that go 2 and out. Her eyes are locked on you tonight." "She loves the way you spin your cue in the air, like an airplane propeller." "She's wearing her size 54 shirt from the Mustang Ranch and she's looking for a bullride."
I have a whole coterie inside my head , each one screaming to be heard over the others, sort of like Exit Door on Mork and Mindy.
Retired has nothing to do with it.
Every morning over an expresso I spend a half hour reading a *wide variety* of web sites to find out what's going on in the world. I've always done this for years and years and considered it especially vital when I was working. It's part of being a well informed person and citizen.
Then I spend a few moments here.
Lou Figueroa
I hear, clear as a bell, a voice which I believe sounds like my own voice.
As to music, when I hear music in my head, it is fully orchestrated and as clear as a Bose. Vocalists are optional.
Lou Figueroa
The Inner Game of a Tennis by Tomothy Gallwey suggests how to handle the inner dialogue in sport performance.