And ask questions without question marks too! You are on your way to the top, surely!!
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Do you realie that Aiming is Intuitive???? (Type 1)
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Huh????
Are you completely stupid? You said bet on the conditions I outlined and now you are crawfishing.
Bummer, I was hoping on getting a nice little vacation and some lunch money.
How about YOU vs. Stevie Moore if you want to do something. Obviously that guy can't possibly play a lick using some nonsense "system".
Banks
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Actually, I greened you for that crack about somebody hitting red on accident. Oh, I'm still laughing about that one.
Yeah, we know you work tirelessly, as per your new thread count. The definition of 'attack' is a little blurred, though, as calling people, directly or indirectly, different things via your postings could be considered an attack. Confrontational is another blurry area, as you are constantly pushing these things.. that's not exactly being a fly on the wall.
The problem that I see, which is the problem with some of the arguments in other threads, is that there appears to be no gray area in many of your posts. It's either one way or it's another, it's right or wrong. The real world does not work that way. If it did, life wouldn't be nearly so complicated.
If an aiming system gets a person to see a shot properly, good for it/them. Some people don't need anything to do that. Then there are those that need guidance. Still others need confidence. It's not just one thing, like 'this is the shot, you win'. There are a billion reasons for people doing a billion different things.. if this can help a few, cool. The arguments of "It's a free world, I can post good things a million times, you can stay out of it" also means that people are free to post bad things, it again means that the pushers don't have to jump into an anti-system thread. Blah blah blah, yabba dabba doo.
Somebody gave me a red on accident.. oh, man.. :rotflmao1:
I do give you credit, though.. with all of the junk posts lately.. you actually put some good discussion material out there. I don't agree with all of it(nor do I think all are good topics), but it sure as hell beats a stagnant forum.
Ya think?!?!?!?!?!
Nobody is going to give in to your fight starting. Not as PocketPoint, not as AimWithYourMind, not as AimingGuru. Not as ANY USERNAME. Nobody cares about the pointless arguments and feuds you like to start.
NOBODY CARES THAT YOU USE ALL CAPS WITH EXCLAMATIONS!!!!!!!!
NOBODY!!!!! NOBODY!!!!! NOBODY!!!!! NOBODY!!!!! NOBODY!!!!!
There is nothing you can say to change this fact!
There is nothing!!!!!!! nothing nothing nothing nothing nothing nothing!!!
THERE IS NO WAY TO MAKE THEM LISTEN!!!! NONE!!!! NONE!!!!! NONE!!!! DO YOU HEAR???????
DO YOU WANT TO REALIZE IT NOW?????????????????????
NOBODY CARES THAT YOU USE ALL CAPS WITH EXCLAMATIONS!!!!!!!!
NOBODY!!!!! NOBODY!!!!! NOBODY!!!!! NOBODY!!!!! NOBODY!!!!!
There is nothing you can say to change this fact!
There is nothing!!!!!!! nothing nothing nothing nothing nothing nothing!!!
THERE IS NO WAY TO MAKE THEM LISTEN!!!! NONE!!!! NONE!!!!! NONE!!!! DO YOU HEAR???????
DO YOU WANT TO REALIZE IT NOW?????????????????????
I think aiming is intuitive to some extent. The first think that I remember ever having to use aiming for was peeing and I think that is where CTE was developed. If I was too close to the edge I would move more to the center. 
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no I just want the edge.
I didn't back out of your silly bet.
Why did you call me stupid? I think you do need a vacation
Because you know stevie has no chance, I said you could pick the game? Same reason you won't play shane.
Who's crawfishing now?
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Cripes, people. Pocketing balls is by far the easiest part of the game, so I can't figure for the life of me why aiming gets so much attention. Making balls is the first thing a new player experiences success at, because the margin of error in making a 2.25" ball go into a 5" pocket is far greater than it is with all of the truly difficult stuff in the game.
You will often hear that a player is a "great shot maker, BUT...". That's because they have nailed the easy part (making balls go in the holes), but not so much on the hard stuff. Could be due to stroke flaws that are minor enough to allow them to pocket many shots (margin of error, again), but are at an unacceptable level for precise position or defensive play. You will rarely hear that a player has excellent cueball control or plays jam up defense, but can't pocket balls. If they have developed their stroke to the point that they can do those difficult things well, then pocketing balls will typically come easy for them. It's is also completely unnecessary to say that Joe Pro Player is a great shot maker - they ALL are, despite the fact that each one of them probably uses a slightly different method than the next. It's only when you get into the difficult stuff - precise cueball position, kicking, banking, delicate safety play, mental toughness in competition - that the differences b/w pros starts to come out.
I say if you are a C or B player, aim however you want for now and focus your energy on the hard stuff, like building a consistent, accurate, and repeatable stroke that affords great precision and confidence. Then, once you have a stroke that is accurate enough to actually do a fair analysis of different aiming methods, you can do some experimenting and find what works best for you. The only thing that's certain is this: a player who can't deliver the cueball to the same exact spot with the same amount of speed and spin twice in a row will be helpless with any aiming system.
This is all just MHO, of course, but it just seems there are more constructive things we could be talking about instead of trolling and flaming each other over aiming yet again.
Aaron
You will often hear that a player is a "great shot maker, BUT...". That's because they have nailed the easy part (making balls go in the holes), but not so much on the hard stuff. Could be due to stroke flaws that are minor enough to allow them to pocket many shots (margin of error, again), but are at an unacceptable level for precise position or defensive play. You will rarely hear that a player has excellent cueball control or plays jam up defense, but can't pocket balls. If they have developed their stroke to the point that they can do those difficult things well, then pocketing balls will typically come easy for them. It's is also completely unnecessary to say that Joe Pro Player is a great shot maker - they ALL are, despite the fact that each one of them probably uses a slightly different method than the next. It's only when you get into the difficult stuff - precise cueball position, kicking, banking, delicate safety play, mental toughness in competition - that the differences b/w pros starts to come out.
I say if you are a C or B player, aim however you want for now and focus your energy on the hard stuff, like building a consistent, accurate, and repeatable stroke that affords great precision and confidence. Then, once you have a stroke that is accurate enough to actually do a fair analysis of different aiming methods, you can do some experimenting and find what works best for you. The only thing that's certain is this: a player who can't deliver the cueball to the same exact spot with the same amount of speed and spin twice in a row will be helpless with any aiming system.
This is all just MHO, of course, but it just seems there are more constructive things we could be talking about instead of trolling and flaming each other over aiming yet again.
Aaron
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You get it, the others just don't!
Excellent comment, I think you are spot on with your point.
That being said, I am a pretty much a pure shot maker, so basically my game sucks. :smile:
Not much reason to continue a conversation with someone who has no ability to reason beyond what they think, especially when they don't appear to have tried any of what they are bashing.
I'm not saying this about you Aaron, but I have met hundreds of people who post on the internet, including dozens and dozens who have echoed the same sentiments:
-I don't need no stinking aiming system
- breaking isn't complicated, -
- using english is very simple,
- I make a ball or two on the break every time
- bar box 8-ball is a cakewalk
etc.,
but upon meeting them their skill level was so far below the words but they still seemed to believe all of the above. I mean, they have a reason to say and believe what they write, but at the same time after meeting them, they are the ones that need to be reading about aiming, breaking, playing bar box 8-ball, compensating for english...
Any player who got beat by a pitiful player like me should reconsider the need for all of the above.
Freddie <~~~ pitiful is an overestimation of my game
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"Golfers do not have an aiming formula. Quarterbacks do not. Bowlers do not. Archers do not. Marksmen do not. Kids on the playground do not. Baseball pitchers do not. Baseball hitters do not. Basketball players do not."
neither do pool players. some just dont realize it.
neither do pool players. some just dont realize it.
I'm sure that's 100% the case, Fred. I just think too much emphasis is put on aiming - yes, I know pocketing balls is the most fun part of the game, but most of the problem with novices missing balls is: a) their stroke , b) firing at shots they should be playing defense on, or c) using spin they are not yet comfortable with. I'm not anti aiming system by any means; I use one myself, and I feel that all good players could benefit from learning a couple of them. I just don't see a lot of benefit in showing a complex aiming system to a C player unless it incorporates some serious stroke training as well. The natural progression for players who reach a high level seems to be that they hit the B range fairly early on, but with a huge imbalance: their firepower far exceeds their abilities in other areas. The areas in which their skills are lacking are not ones were I see an aiming system being a big help.
I guess I view aiming systems as being most helpful to the player who already has his/her stroke grooved, has a very solid set of fundamentals, probably is playing A level or thereabouts, and is looking to improve their TPA by a few points. Of course, I'm biased on the issue because that's the approach I personally used and had success with.
Take care,
Aaron
You would be hard pressed not to find aiming systems for the comparable sports (bowling, golf).
I suck at bowling, but when I was young and played a little bit, I would throw the ball and then point my thumb right at the target after release. It helped a lot. Golf, I'd point both thumbs straight down the shaft to get an accurate swing. So kinda aiming systems?
I suck at bowling, but when I was young and played a little bit, I would throw the ball and then point my thumb right at the target after release. It helped a lot. Golf, I'd point both thumbs straight down the shaft to get an accurate swing. So kinda aiming systems?
Probably, but what you're describing I think is more analogous to stroking not aiming. But, still, it's systematic.
Even in {edit: throwing} a baseball, the top coaches all coach a systematic approach, much has no apparent connection with physics and feel good sayings (like less body motion is better - utter nonsense) but more to body mechanics / muscle coordination and changing the focus of the player.
There are always people putting systematic approaches to any aiming sport (bowling, putting, free throw shooting). All of the "static sports" especially, but dynamic sports aren't exempt.
Since bowling actually have target arrows (the visuals), I can imagine (as a non-bowler) there are all kinds of systematic aiming approaches. Doing a search for bowling aiming proves it.
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You should try CTE. You'd like it.
My post really answers to that troll in the other forum, but this is a good spot to do some anecdotes about me. And I think I represent a good amount of players out there. And you're absolutely correct: there are a host of other reasons for amateurs to miss shots. But, that's what the other post topics are for!!!
I've been a top amateur player in my area in Massachusetts for two decades. I've played and won tournaments in other states (Illinois, CA) as well. The players I beat I think anyone here would consider pretty strong players. Maybe not pros (though I have beat a couple of pro caliber players in short races).
And yet, it was never because of strong shot making. Yes, I could pocket balls, but it wasn't my strength. And it's relative, isn't it? My bad day of pocketing balls could be a C players dream all-time-high. My strength was position play and table management, which is enough to beat a lot of amateurs. But, without a total package, you're always vulnerable. So, that means working on the break, working on safety play, banks, combos, and ... shot making of course.
But was I ball pocketing at Pro Level prior to aiming systems? Absolutely not. I was pocketing balls at "pretty damned good amateur" level. After embracing Hal Houle systems, I am an even better ball pocketing. Am I at Pro level? Absolutely not. But I am better. And don't we all just want to get better?
If you are a hundred ball runner, maybe aiming systems don't matter. But, if anyone is my level or worse (which I suspect is true for 95% of the posters), I just have a hard time believing that everyone else is such a good shot maker that they pooh pooh the discussions and leave it to "aiming properly is so easy."
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