Do you think that the US might play stronger if the MC were a winner take all event?

Do you think that the US team might play stronger if the Mosconi Cup were a winner take all event?

This might not ever be the case (and I do not know if it was ever the case in the previous history of the Mosconi Cup), but imagine if the winner of the event received $30,000 for each player, and the losing team had to go home with not only $0 in prize money, but no trophy or medal of any kind.

I do not know, but I imagine that not only SVB would play much stronger, but the entire team would take the event and their game a lot more seriously.

I do not know, because this would add even more pressure to the event, and the US team might play even worse, and have even less of a chance of winning, but who knows.

I understand that this is a completely fictional scenario, and would probably never happen, but just curious to hear some thoughts about if you think anything would change if this type of scenario were to happen.

Would the US players play better, worse, or about the same (against team Europe), if they knew going into it that if they did not win, then they would receive no prize money, and have to go back home without anything (not even a Silver medal for 2nd place)?

I do not know, but I am thinking that at the very least, SVB would be playing much stronger, and taking the competition a lot more seriously.

Thanks for any thoughts about this.
I think....the USA players need to learn how to win FIRST under the current format before there's any discussion about changing the format to something else in order to give them a CHANCE to win!
 
No, No, No!!

Can't believe I'm saying this but this is the best thread / post I've seen from you to date. I agree with this. I think it would make a big difference and certainly couldn't hurt??? Ever seen the difference between a salaried salesman and a straight commission one?

Come on Bmore, don't go with this! We just need a new mix, not a new format.
 
Make every member of the losing team ineligible for the next Mosconi and you'll motivate the players a little more, as well as ensure the injection of new talent.
 
Make every member of the losing team ineligible for the next Mosconi and you'll motivate the players a little more, as well as ensure the injection of new talent.

That, and you limit the number of cups a person can participate in to 5. If any current players have been in 5 cups or more, they can come back as non playing captains or coaches, but cannot be players.
 
Come on Bmore, don't go with this! We just need a new mix, not a new format.

Well for lack of anything else working in the last 10+ years........ and honestly I am a huge proponent of performance based compensation - seen it work in many different fields. Honestly not saying they should get nothing - I'd probably do $2500-$27500. After all, they are pros.
 
I think....the USA players need to learn how to win FIRST under the current format before there's any discussion about changing the format to something else in order to give them a CHANCE to win!


Until they send the real SVB to the tournament that'll never happen. Either that or clone Bergman 4 times


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Since we're brainstorming...

What if you selected the US team at the beginning of the year, and signed them to a contract that would agree to pay every member of the US team an annual salary of say $100k. In exchange, they would be expected to treat their position as a job, enter/travel/participate in a set number of major world events, practice, receive instruction, and adhere to a code of conduct. Then after each MC is played, you reserve the right to release players who didn't perform and recruit others who have proven themselves throughout the previous year.

Would this be enough incentive for us to field a competitive team? IF not now, maybe in the future? As to who would finance this, unfortunately, I don't have a good answer. Maybe there exists some loaded hyper-patriotic pool fan
 
If it were $30,000 and zero, the saver would be $10,000.

I think the saver is a big problem with American pool in general. Savers take a lot of the stress out of the players tournament experience especially when you know you are getting saver paid versus having to win to get paid.
 
I think the saver is a big problem with American pool in general. Savers take a lot of the stress out of the players tournament experience especially when you know you are getting saver paid versus having to win to get paid.

So true, but it's worse than that. Often, players in regional events don't even play the final, preferring to split the prize money.
 
So true, but it's worse than that. Often, players in regional events don't even play the final, preferring to split the prize money.

This happens a lot to Europe too, I for one am guilty of that plenty of times. So the saver has nothing to do with pool's low quality in the USA, I'm afraid. .
 
Try it -- Try playing a race to 5 against the best in the world with alternate breaks.

One little mistake (it doesn't have to be a big one) WILL cost you the match.

Asian players are schooled like soldiers going into battle, from the time they're little kids. European players have the support of their entire continent and have a very, very strong network of Snooker players.

America? We're barred from pool rooms and tournaments when we get good. We're called hustlers and treated like 2nd class citizens. At the end of a regional tournament we're lucky to have two people watching, and one of them is the barmaid.

So.... We're not team players. It's one guy against the world, doing everything they can to survive.

YEAH!!! - a race to 100, 9-ball or 8-ball, winner break - and bet something more than $10k, which won't even cover costs.

Sorry about the rant -but I had to put that somewhere.
 
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There we go!

Well for lack of anything else working in the last 10+ years........ and honestly I am a huge proponent of performance based compensation - seen it work in many different fields. Honestly not saying they should get nothing - I'd probably do $2500-$27500. After all, they are pros.

Straight commission is great in a VERY FEW circumstances, just like winner take all. But in situations were the difference between success and failure is fractional there has to be a safety net.

$2500 - $27,500 is plenty of net!!
 
Well..,

Make every member of the losing team ineligible for the next Mosconi and you'll motivate the players a little more, as well as ensure the injection of new talent.

There would no one left, we'd be down to APA players.
 
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