Do you use an aiming system or go by feel?

[ENGLISH!]

You don't need a test - the idea that any system simple enough to use could produce more than a fraction of all the cut angles needed to play pool is absurd on its face. And if you don't think CTE's explanations for that ("rotating edges", "3D perceptions", etc.) are ridiculous on their face, then you're most likely immune to science anyway.

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[alstl]

It depends on how you define "aiming system". I calculate where to strike the object ball with the cue ball but my "system" is something I learned by playing a lot of pool.

 

[ENGLISH!]

It's finally official. 74.24% or a large majority of pollsters in this thread either use feel only, or usually use feel. It's a landslide. Why all of the aiming threads on this forum to bore everyone to death.

The full pendulum swing poll results back when were similar.

Less than 40% said that they use a full pendulum stroke.

Yet when anything stroke related comes up for discussion, it is often assumed that it is in regards to a full pendulum stroke.

That has been the cause of much misinformation & misunderstanding.

 

[Neil]

The full pendulum swing pool results back when were similar.

Less than 40% said that they use a full pendulum stroke.

Yet when anything stroke related comes up for discussion, it is assumed that it is in regards to a full pendulum stroke.

That has been the cause of much misinformation & misunderstanding.

So now you speak for everyone with your assuming? YOU assume it, I'm sure many others do not by what they post.

As to the results of the poll, just what are you getting at with it? It's a well known fact that most think they aim by feel. It's also a known fact that those same people use some kind of system to aim or they wouldn't be able to aim at all. They just don't use a system with a name attached to it other than feel.

Are we supposed to only talk about what the majority on here uses? If you really feel that way, you might as well get rid of the forums all together.

 

[Neil]

It's finally official. 74.24% or a large majority of pollsters in this thread either use feel only, or usually use feel. It's a landslide. Why all of the aiming threads on this forum to bore everyone to death.

I don't know why you are reading it if you are so bored with it, but, since you want something more exciting to talk about, just name it. We can then put up a poll to see if the majority want to talk about that or not.

 

[ENGLISH!]

So now you speak for everyone with your assuming? YOU assume it, I'm sure many others do not by what they post.

As to the results of the poll, just what are you getting at with it? It's a well known fact that most think they aim by feel. It's also a known fact that those same people use some kind of system to aim or they wouldn't be able to aim at all. They just don't use a system with a name attached to it other than feel.

Are we supposed to only talk about what the majority on here uses? If you really feel that way, you might as well get rid of the forums all together.

You're a special person. Neil.

You have the uncanny ability to twist, misstate or distort what others say or meant by what they said.

You missed philly's point completely & again put words into his mouth that he did not say.

Your thinking that you have omniscience may probably be your largest issue.

But perhaps not.

I went back & inserted a clarifying word in my post. I would think that any rational individual would have known that I did not mean ALL of the time nor in every instance since I did not say such.

Perhaps your omniscience is on the blink.

You know if you continue to follow me around & distort everything that I say or try to say, I would think that there will be more vacation time. That is unless management is just willing to just turn over the site to you & your ever on going policeman on the beat style, catching jaywalkers.

I would hope that management would look at the big picture & see that it is you that is instigating issues with me in an ongoing manner.

Prayers for you Neil.

 

[philly]

I don't know why you are reading it if you are so bored with it, but, since you want something more exciting to talk about, just name it. We can then put up a poll to see if the majority want to talk about that or not.

You're right Neil. I'm done with the thread.

 

[Neil]

You're a special person. Neil.

You have the uncanny ability to twist, misstate or distort what others say or meant by what they said.

You missed philly's point completely & again put words into his mouth that he did not say.

Your thinking that you have omniscience may probably be your largest issue.

But perhaps not.

I went back & inserted a clarifying word in my post. I would think that any rational individual would have known that I did not mean ALL of the time nor in every instance since I did not say such.

Perhaps your omniscience is on the blink.

No, I have the ability to read what is said, not what is meant. Which also is why you had to change your post. The only one that thinks I have omniscience is you. But, news flash for you, I don't know what you mean to say, only what you do say. Maybe you should think more before you type so you say what you mean to say.

 

[ENGLISH!]

No, I have the ability to read what is said, not what is meant. Which also is why you had to change your post. The only one that thinks I have omniscience is you. But, news flash for you, I don't know what you mean to say, only what you do say. Maybe you should think more before you type so you say what you mean to say.

Maybe when something is said with NO qualifying words you should NOT assume what you want to assume & keep an open mind that since there are no qualifying words a simple question should be asked if one genuinely wants something qualified or clarified.

Only a disingenuous individual would always assume in one direction & then state their assumption as fact.

That rather resembles a Stalking Troll or a self appointed Jaywalking Policemen with too much time on his hands. 'Hey You, You flicked ashes on the ground. I'm taking you in. But there is no law against that. I don't care, that's MY 'law'.

I'm going to play some one pocket.

I hope you breathe well, today.

 

[Neil]

Maybe when something is said with NO qualifying words you should NOT assume what you want to assume & keep an open mind that since there are no qualifying words a simple question should be asked if one genuinely wants something qualified or clarified.

Only a disingenuous individual would always assume in one direction & then state their assumption as fact.

That rather resembles a Stalking Troll or a self appointed Jaywalking Policemen with too much time on his hands. 'Hey You, You flicked ashes on the ground. I'm taking you in. But there is no law against that. I don't care, that's MY 'law'.

I'm going to play some one pocket.

I hope you breathe well, today.

Thanks for explaining why you do that.

 

[railbird99]

Why does every thread that "ENGLISH!" participates in result in multiple arguments that have nothing to do with pool?

EDIT: He is a troll right?

 

[Patrick Johnson]

Why does every thread that "ENGLISH!" participates in result in multiple arguments that have nothing to do with pool?

Obviously because he's persecuted by trolls. Wait 30 seconds and he'll tell you all about it (again).

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[skins]

?.... It's a well known fact that most think they aim by feel. It's also a known fact that those same people use some kind of system to aim or they wouldn't be able to aim at all. They just don't use a system with a name attached to it other than feel..

ALL aiming systems are a dirivitive of, or just another "method" to get you to The Ghost Ball contact point. All other factors from spin, to speed, to cloth, to cue, to stroke, ALL affect what happens after. You can tell people how those factors affect the shot but it takes a L O N G time to get the "FEEL" of using them. The ONLY system" or whatever you want to call it that will teach you that is TIME.

 

[SamLambert]

Wow, this blew out way out of proportion.

I skipped a lot of the debate part, since to be honest it kinda bored me, but I think I'm gonna spend some more time with CTE this month and see how I feel about it. Should be relatively easy to see if it helps me more than only practicing by feel.

I know the shots that are hard for me, I'll try getting a good grasp of CTE and see if I become more confident with those shots.

For those still interested, I will most likely upload my first video either today or monday. I wish it would have been this weekend but I have 2 tournaments, one saturday and one sunday so I am a little out of time..

 

[cookie man]

Cookie,

I did shoot it after I saw it. I've said that in the past.

To get 5 different results from the same visual requires subjective input based on the shot.

If done totally objectively each ball hits the rail at 'equal' distances apart, that is to say that the end result angle is the same. Unless one deviates & adds one's own input to what the shot requires. That is the same experience that Satore & 8pack Anthony had.

I would surmize that some are incapable of performing objectively & do the last part & add the subjective input.

I can make all of the shots without CTE, Right after the failed attempts with total objectivity & CTE, I rattled shot #5 with my method & pocketed it with TOI.

I think what needs to be kept in mind is that the 3 of us were 'testing the system' with regards to it's objectivity, unless I am wrong about the other 2.

I've never said that someone, Gerry, Mhort, or someone else can not make the 5 shots using CTE but they are kidding themselves if they think they are doing so totally objectively.

The issue in the discussions of this nature are that we, I & you & ohers, do not have the same 'definition' of objective.

If one just 'moves until one sees the proper perception' one has just inserted subjectivity & that is not even an objective instruction other than to paraphrase it & say, 'now use your individual subjectivity & move until you see the proper perception for the shot at hand'. One could start from anywhere & do that & not use nor need CTE.

I really don't want to discuss it with those that can't see the reality of it, but if I am continually portrayed other than what I am, I basically have little choice.

I don't want misinformation going out about me nor the method.

Best Wishes.

So you still think the ctel is the same for each shot right.

 

[JoeyInCali]

ALL aiming systems are a dirivitive of, or just another "method" to get you to The Ghost Ball contact point. All other factors from spin, to speed, to cloth, to cue, to stroke, ALL affect what happens after. You can tell people how those factors affect the shot but it takes a L O N G time to get the "FEEL" of using them. The ONLY system" or whatever you want to call it that will teach you that is TIME.

How can one can tell where the cue ball is going after contact with the OB without visualizing that collision?
And when dealing with spin, you have to visualize how much that object ball throw will be . Like aiming at outside of the pocket, maybe?

 

[Ron Swanson]

Possibly because you don't live in the USA and don't interact with or track any players here.

On this forum.

Duke Laha got better.

Gerry Williams got better.

They aren't beginners. They put videos up of their progress.

Be honest though, no amount of evidence short of beating Ronnie Williams would satisfy you and even that probably wouldn't suffice.

Ronnie Williams? Who?

Regardless, if what you claim is true, the cue sports world should be littered with examples of short stops like Gerry williams powering on to become pro, yet there aren't. Not a single one.

The brutal truth is you're not good enough to really understand the game - and the limitations of players.

 

[Patrick Johnson]

The brutal truth is you're not good enough to really understand the game - and the limitations of players.

Good thing we have you here to explain all that...

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[cookie man]

Ronnie Williams? Who?

Regardless, if what you claim is true, the cue sports world should be littered with examples of short stops like Gerry williams powering on to become pro, yet there aren't. Not a single one.

The brutal truth is you're not good enough to really understand the game - and the limitations of players.

Because being a pro pool player is a good thing

 

[Patrick Johnson]

I think I'm gonna spend some more time with CTE this month and see how I feel about it.

I recommend also (instead?) trying simple fractional aiming without the added gimmicks of "visuals" and "pivoting" (just adjust thicker or thinner as needed). Things will be much more clear if you don't need to disguise the adjustments.

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