Do you use an aiming system or go by feel?

Do you use an aiming system or go by feel?

  • I always go by feel

    Votes: 153 53.5%

  • Usually by feel, with aiming systems for hard shots

    Votes: 68 23.8%

  • Usually with aiming systems, by feel for easy shots

    Votes: 24 8.4%

  • I always use aiming systems

    Votes: 26 9.1%

  • I just hit balls very hard and hope they sink

    Votes: 15 5.2%
  • Total voters
    286
Poolplaya9 said:
You really think those instructions are detailed enough that every person that follows them ends up doing the exact same things? You all but use the word feel in explaining how much feel you are using throughout that whole process.

And "one does not typically see the CTE perceptions correctly when first learning it" is the excuse used to try to cover for the fact that it doesn't work for people first using it because their subconscious hasn't yet learned how to adjust and correct for the new things you are doing and that are happening, just like as happens when you switch from a high to low deflection cue for example or vice versa.
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If you want to see it that way then that's your right. Doesn't make you right.

If you want to diagram a shot I will be happy to make a video for you explaining the process from start to finish.

You seem to know an awful lot about what the subconscious does. That seems to be a catch-all for you guys for all that you can't or won't understand consciously.

I didn't say CTE doesn't work for people who are first using it. I said some people don't get it at first and some people do. But it is MY experience and the experience of others that in order to be fully comfortable with the method it requires deliberate practice to learn the perceptions required for each type of shot.

I have shown many people CTE and seen them have immediate benefit from it. But this is no different than teaching a person to draw their ball. Just because they can back it up three inches doesn't mean they can draw two rails. That requires deliberate practice and for some a lot of it to be able to reliably do it on demand.
 
Sam, this is all really easy. Look up Stan Shuffett on YouTube or type in CTE Aiming and watch the videos. If you can find anyone around you who can duplicate the results demonstrated then learn from them. If not then learn from Stan or someone else qualified.

Try the shots yourself and see how close you get.
 
I forgot to mention Stevie Moore as a CTE user. He is a bonafide professional pool player.
 
I know a few people who use CTE, and I'm pretty sure I remember hearing that at least one of them learned the system by piecing together the snippets from Stans YouTube videos so I thought I'd mess with it. I took a diagram from pool.bz and messed around with MS Paint.

What it seems to be is a ghost ball method expanded. Instead of lining up the center of the CB with the GB-contact point, you're using 2 lines that always exist on every shot and using more concrete visuals as your shot base, right?
 
Zphix said:
I know a few people who use CTE, and I'm pretty sure I remember hearing that at least one of them learned the system by piecing together the snippets from Stans YouTube videos so I thought I'd mess with it. I took a diagram from pool.bz and messed around with MS Paint.

What it seems to be is a ghost ball method expanded. Instead of lining up the center of the CB with the GB-contact point, you're using 2 lines that always exist on every shot and using more concrete visuals as your shot base, right?
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It has nothing to do with ghost ball. You are correct though that it does use two lines for each shot (with the exception of very thin cuts) which form an objective relationship between the cue ball and object ball. These two lines are specific and learning to perceive them correctly essentially gives you a set of keys with which to unlock the aiming for almost any shot you will face.

I like to mess with diagrams as well to attempt to understand this method. Feel free to PM me if you want to share.
 
JB Cases said:
Tell that to Landon Shuffett or Phil Burford or Stan Shuffett. All hundred ball runners. Have you ever finished higher at the US Open than senior citizen Stan Shuffett?

I know you were talking to Neil but my own skill level isn't that great a testimonial for CTE if the premise is that CTE will make someone a great player. That's not the premise though. The premise is that CTE will help a player aim better. Not stroke better, not have better speed control, not to pick the right patterns, just aim better.

I have said this many times and I will say it again. I will bet on Stan Shuffett against ANY player on Earth in a pure shot making contest on a tight Diamond table. I challenged him for a couple hours with a witness present to try and find shots where CTE didn't work. I have $2000 every day to bet on Stan after that session.

I have $100 to PAY anyone in this thread - not a bet - you can get PAID just to duplicate these videos inside the next 24 hours.

1. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uY0tp_UnS_g

2. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qwdyDAisc6o

3. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A14srrn2uEg

Show me that with feel that you can make a video where you pocket all these balls from the same positions with the same or better percentage.
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You appear to be suggesting Stan is the best shot maker on planet earth. :eek::eek:
 
Ron Swanson said:
You appear to be suggesting Stan is the best shot maker on planet earth. :eek::eek:
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He might be. If you want to send any living human up against him on a ten foot diamond with tight pockets feel free. And yes, I am fully aware of how accurate snooker players are as shotmakers. But Stan gets to shoot bank shots over multiple rails as well and I don't see any snooker player beating him there.
 
JB Cases said:
Tell that to Landon Shuffett or Phil Burford or Stan Shuffett. All hundred ball runners. Have you ever finished higher at the US Open than senior citizen Stan Shuffett?

I know you were talking to Neil but my own skill level isn't that great a testimonial for CTE if the premise is that CTE will make someone a great player. That's not the premise though. The premise is that CTE will help a player aim better. Not stroke better, not have better speed control, not to pick the right patterns, just aim better.

I have said this many times and I will say it again. I will bet on Stan Shuffett against ANY player on Earth in a pure shot making contest on a tight Diamond table. I challenged him for a couple hours with a witness present to try and find shots where CTE didn't work. I have $2000 every day to bet on Stan after that session.

I have $100 to PAY anyone in this thread - not a bet - you can get PAID just to duplicate these videos inside the next 24 hours.

1. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uY0tp_UnS_g

2. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qwdyDAisc6o

3. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A14srrn2uEg

Show me that with feel that you can make a video where you pocket all these balls from the same positions with the same or better percentage.
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Go ahead John show us its not magic. Demonstrate that its cte. You can do it.

#thepowerofcte
 
JB Cases said:
He might be. If you want to send any living human up against him on a ten foot diamond with tight pockets feel free. And yes, I am fully aware of how accurate snooker players are as shotmakers. But Stan gets to shoot bank shots over multiple rails as well and I don't see any snooker player beating him there.
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Then i think you mean he could be the best trick shot artist in the world.
 

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(((Satori))) said:
Go ahead John show us its not magic. Demonstrate that its cte. You can do it.

#thepowerofcte
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I could but I prefer to see the feel players do it. You go first. If you do it we can bet $1000 on whether I can duplicate it in 24 hours.

Or $10, $100 or dinner. I don't care. You won't do it.

But I will make it easier on you. Give these videos your best shot. If I don't make the balls with a better percentage than you in 24 hours on video then you win.

By the way, the videos I linked to are of CTE users who ALSO have great fundamentals. I don't so even though I aim correctly I still dog shots with bad fundamentals. CTE doesn't fix everything.
 
JB Cases said:
I could but I prefer to see the feel players do it. You go first. If you do it we can bet $1000 on whether I can duplicate it in 24 hours.

Or $10, $100 or dinner. I don't care. You won't do it.

But I will make it easier on you. Give these videos your best shot. If I don't make the balls with a better percentage than you in 24 hours on video then you win.

By the way, the videos I linked to are of CTE users who ALSO have great fundamentals. I don't so even though I aim correctly I still dog shots with bad fundamentals. CTE doesn't fix everything.
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Sure you will!
 
JB Cases said:
I could but I prefer to see the feel players do it. You go first. If you do it we can bet $1000 on whether I can duplicate it in 24 hours.

Or $10, $100 or dinner. I don't care. You won't do it.

But I will make it easier on you. Give these videos your best shot. If I don't make the balls with a better percentage than you in 24 hours on video then you win.

By the way, the videos I linked to are of CTE users who ALSO have great fundamentals. I don't so even though I aim correctly I still dog shots with bad fundamentals. CTE doesn't fix everything.
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Then wouldn't it make more sense for you to divert your energies to fixing your fundamentals instead?

#trappedinaKafkiannightmare
 
Poolplaya9 said:
Not for finding the aim line is isn't. There is zero. You have some evidence that you can still pocket balls with it, which is because your subconscious adjusts for the errors of the system, but you have ZERO evidence that CTE actually finds the correct aim line itself. If you have some lets hear it.


An objective precise system can be explained very precisely. Any description has ALWAYS lacked enough detail that it allows for user adjustments based on feel, and for one person to do it differently than the next. But again, if you think you can give a detailed explanation that would not allow for everybody to be able to do it differently, and would not allow for user adjustments based on feel, lets hear it.
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What could be more precise than a cte line and a reference line
 
Ron Swanson said:
Then wouldn't it make more sense for you to divert your energies to fixing your fundamentals instead?

#trappedinaKafkiannightmare
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Yes. If I desired at this point to get more consistent. But I don't feel like putting in the time.

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