Do you use an aiming system or go by feel?

[ps611846]

You're both wrong. Any item can be used as an objective reference for the purpose of measurement or alignment.

If a person knows their shaft well enough they can use it to align to the shot and be very consistent once they figure out the parameters.

I find it funny that some people have this aversion to using more concrete methods of aiming. As if somehow this takes the romance of the game and makes it clinical and surgical. Slice the ball into portions, dissect that balll, etc...... maybe it's just me but it seems like some folks in this thread prefer to just guess when they aim and they are mad if other people don't want to be guessing all the time.

No, it's impossible. I guess you know the difference between 3/4 and 2/3. Or 75% and 66,6%. And you tell me that you can look at one or another ? At any distance ? And you can also tell me that the results are the same when the object ball's "size" changes as distance increases? You aim a bigger cue ball to a smaller object ball.

No way you are getting the same results.

It is a "feel" system. Not objective at all.

 

[cookie man]

I've done a lot more improving than any of the cte people in this thread in the 10 years since i started and i don't even have a system that connects to the geometry of the table to make all shots center pocket, plus im only a barbox league player. .

Curious what you are basing this on.

 

[cookie man]

That is what we use to call 'The Mudd Ball'. It was very very prevalent at one time back in I believe the mid to late 80s.

I actually went out & purchased one to use at home because playing with that was an entirely different game. you more or less had to use completely different patterns to not overload your stroke & risk mis-stroking.

Where i come from the Mudd Ball and an over sized cue ball are two different things. Mudd ball is basically a regular sized cue ball but very heavy.

 

[cookie man]

John.

Your manner of speaking could give the impression that most of the people are using, studying, & love (an emotional felling) CTE & give out good reviews.

That is, unless one reads carefullly.

Then one realizes that you were only speaking of the rather small amount of people, relatively speaking, that actual do use CTE.

Best Wishes.

So if you describe a system that uses objective references how is that system not objective by description. Not talking about actually shooting the ball, just the description of the system. Curious of your feelings on this statement Rick.

 

[one stroke]

King Hack Troll would by you and a few others on here...you know, the "usual" suspects some of which who have doing it for almost 2 decades.

Do you even know the definition of a system? I didn't think so. Here it is:

Definition of SYSTEM:
a set of principles or procedures according to which something is done; an organized scheme or method.

AN ORGANIZED METHOD IS A SYSTEM!! A SYSTEM IS ALSO AN ORGANIZED METHOD!

You don't know how Darren aims? LOL! You don't know jack squat about any kind of aiming to begin with. The youtube video link was provided above explained by Ekkes how Darren aims. It's called the SEE-SYSTEM developed by Darren and Ekkes, used by both of them, and taught to students all over the world in person or by DVD.

You know nothing about it? Tough luck. Be happy and stay where you are.[/QUOT
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[Banks]

Curious what you are basing this on.

How about answering the original question that was asked and point out the evidence that isn't just somebody saying what they think is happening.

Basing that on what ive read.

 

[one stroke]

King Hack Troll would by you and a few others on here...you know, the "usual" suspects some of which who have doing it for almost 2 decades.

Do you even know the definition of a system? I didn't think so. Here it is:

Definition of SYSTEM:
a set of principles or procedures according to which something is done; an organized scheme or method.

AN ORGANIZED METHOD IS A SYSTEM!! A SYSTEM IS ALSO AN ORGANIZED METHOD!

You don't know how Darren aims? LOL! You don't know jack squat about any kind of aiming to begin with. The youtube video link was provided above explained by Ekkes how Darren aims. It's called the SEE-SYSTEM developed by Darren and Ekkes, used by both of them, and taught to students all over the world in person or by DVD.

You know nothing about it? Tough luck. Be happy and stay where you are.

Wrong again it's not a complex system or organized parts or method it's basicly a point and shoot method not a system ,,
I just asked how Darren aimed since it was called a system , but I could really careless
But using Shane's method as a point of reference in a CTE conversation is as laughable
Put your skirt back on and go make some Jam

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[GoldenFlash]

Shane's is not a system it's a method it's akin to having to adjust sights or scopes on a gun ,,I know someone who's used that method for 50 yrs or better
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The words system and method mean the same thing in this discussion
NONE are infallible.
It's all a matter of which method (system) gives the highest percentage of hits to the user. Pick the one that is most successful or easiest for the shooter to understand and use it.
Why do the anti-CTE guys not realize this?

 

[cookie man]

How about answering the original question that was asked and point out the evidence that isn't just somebody saying what they think is happening.

Basing that on what ive read.

It's been answered numerous times. Everything about CTE is out there on the internet.
So why do you feel you've improved more than say me in the last ten yrs. Did you just start playing 10 yrs ago and recently became an apa 7

 

[Zphix]

I have a question: If CTE uses or connects to the tables geometry then the CB is always heading towards a pocket? Same principle that applies to using 90-90.

 

[cookie man]

I have a question: If CTE uses or connects to the tables geometry then the CB is always heading towards a pocket? Same principle that applies to using 90-90.

The object ball is always heading to a pocket with cte.

 

[Banks]

It's been answered numerous times. Everything about CTE is out there on the internet.
So why do you feel you've improved more than say me in the last ten yrs. Did you just start playing 10 yrs ago and recently became an apa 7

I'm still a 4, so send Barton my way with a bag of cash.

No, it has never been answered and the "evidence" is just somebody saying so, just like the evidence you told Lou wasn't good enough. You said you'd provide the evidence.. stiiiillll waiting.

 

[Zphix]

The object ball is always heading to a pocket with cte.

I said cue ball....

 

[JB Cases]

I'm still a 4, so send Barton my way with a bag of cash.

No, it has never been answered and the "evidence" is just somebody saying so, just like the evidence you told Lou wasn't good enough. You said you'd provide the evidence.. stiiiillll waiting.

How about if we send Stan? You guys can play bank pool and I will bet up to $5000 on him against you.

Or you can have a bank shot contest and I will bet up to $1000 per shot on Stan.

 

[SpiderWebComm]

Wrong again it's not a complex system or organized parts or method it's basicly a point and shoot method not a system ,,
I just asked how Darren aimed since it was called a system , but I could really careless
But using Shane's method as a point of reference in a CTE conversation is as laughable
Put your skirt back on and go make some Jam

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There was never any comparing Shane's method as a point of reference in CTE. Neither have anything to do with each other. They're different SYSTEMS/METHODS.

They're both ORGANIZED in that Shane organizes DIFFERENT PARTS OF THE FERRULE to use as a reference for various CUT ANGLES and CTE uses ORGANIZED areas on the OB.

If Shane's system/method is unorganized or haphazard with just point and shoot, he wouldn't care what part of the ferrule he used. But since he does faithfully use DIFFERENT PARTS OF THE FERRULE FOR VARIOUS CUT ANGLES it's an ORGANIZED METHOD OR SYSTEM.

It's one thing that you never got your high school diploma, but you should have attempted to get a GED somewhere down the line. But now I understand where you're coming from and Forrest Gump said it best...

 

[mantis99]

Wow!!! I don't come on here for a few days and we are already at 50 pages. I just don't get it. The same people continue to argue the same ideas on both sides, when all that was really asked by the OP was whether or not aiming systems are worth pursuing.

To those who continue to discuss this, its probably time to just agree to disagree and let it go. You obviously will not convince each other of your points. Spend your energy and time on those more open to the points you are making, and your conversations will bear much more fruit.

To the OP, if you are still paying any attention. Many people, including myself, feel that aiming systems have improved their ability to pocket balls, but they take some time to learn and become good at, like anything else in pool. If aim is an area of struggle, you may want to try one for a while (more than a few days) and see if it right for you. That being said, given the short time you have played, I would probably focus on learning the fundamentals really well and improving your stoke. The more you shoot, the more you will improve your ability to naturally aim, and the more you will see the shot correctly. Once you hone your fundamentals, aiming may then be natural place for your focus to shift.

Good Luck in your pursuit of playing well!! Just don't sacrifice the fundamental steps of developing your game to try and pursue short cuts to improvement.

 

[cookie man]

I said cue ball....

Yea I know. The cue ball doesn't head for a pocket, the OB does

 

[JB Cases]

I have a question: If CTE uses or connects to the tables geometry then the CB is always heading towards a pocket? Same principle that applies to using 90-90.

Not in my experience. The shot line is found and the cue ball path is determined by the resulting tangent line. And like any shot even if the cueball were headed towards a pocket when using CTE then it it easy to pull it off the scratch line with speed and spin.

 

[cookie man]

I'm still a 4, so send Barton my way with a bag of cash.

No, it has never been answered and the "evidence" is just somebody saying so, just like the evidence you told Lou wasn't good enough. You said you'd provide the evidence.. stiiiillll waiting.

It's been answered, but no one is going to spoon feed you the info.
Somehow i believe the 4 part

 

[Zphix]

Yea I know. The cue ball doesn't head for a pocket, the OB does

It's inevitably heading for a pocket if you're using table geometry. Might be 1,2, or 3 rails but you'd have to be tracking to a pocket if the system uses table geometry to pocket shots.