Do you use an aiming system or go by feel?

Do you use an aiming system or go by feel?

  • I always go by feel

    Votes: 153 53.5%

  • Usually by feel, with aiming systems for hard shots

    Votes: 68 23.8%

  • Usually with aiming systems, by feel for easy shots

    Votes: 24 8.4%

  • I always use aiming systems

    Votes: 26 9.1%

  • I just hit balls very hard and hope they sink

    Votes: 15 5.2%
  • Total voters
    286
JoeyInCali said:
But, you're in the stop the ghost ball mission. Lint on the table video ?

Err, I'll say it again. Pro 1 video is cheap. People who are interested in buying should buy it. I paid $40 for the first CTE material I saw.


John, look at the thread title . You just want to knock the feel shooters ?

So much for that.

Imo, you are actually doing CTE a disservice as what you teach is not what Stan teaches .
I asked one question. If you were honest about, it would have been done . You flipflopped and danced around it .
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Don't misquote me. I didn't call anyone an asshole in this thread. I didn't dance around anything. And for that matter the question about Rodney SUPPORTS CTE so thanks for bringing it back up.

And no Joey I don't knock ANY shooters for what methods they use. I get beat by feel shooters all the time. Some of them who know of these threads make it a point to tell me they don't use any system. I shake their hands and say good playing.

I only offer my experience for those who might be interested in exploring other methods. You actively campaign to instill doubt in the readers for the express purpose in my opinion of preventing people from trying other methods.
 
bstroud said:
I first started looking at aiming systems 60 years ago. I was 14.

There were dots, spots, lights, 1/4 ball 1/2 ball etc. many others as well.

I found "Advanced Snooker" in the library and because I was playing snooker every day studied it over and over.

I would set up a spot shot on a pool table and using the AREA method would shoot it in a race to 100. If I missed I had to start over.

There are plenty of new aiming systems today. You need to find one that conforms to the laws of Physics, not some myth, and stick with it.

Whatever method you choose you must commit it to memory and use it over and over until it becomes a habit. Only then will it be your's to trust when things go wrong.

Pool is about confidence and if you don't have confidence that you are aiming correctly you won't have the courage to execute the shot under stressful conditions.

Bill S.
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Exactly Bill, this is what many of us have said. CTE for example gives confidence in the aiming under pressure.

This point has been buried so many times maybe they will listen if you say it.
 
Patrick Johnson said:
You actively campaign to discredit and discourage views other than your own about CTE.

pj
chgo
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If those views continue to be the same claims that it doesn't work with no proof offered then yes I would like to see those arguments end or proof provided.

We have met every shot challenge presented. We have provided demonstration videos. We have given you all the proof possible in answer to every challenge.

Yet you persist and offer nothing new.

If in the pool room someone says CTE doesn't work then I go to the table with them and show them what I know and ask them to show me why they think it doesn't work.

All you guys do is say it doesn't work OR it doesn't work like you think it does but you can't show that.

So essentially the bottom line is that you SEEM to be trying to instill doubt and fear into reader's minds for the sole purpose of getting them to abandon any thoughts of trying these methods.

Not cool IMO.
 
Patrick Johnson said:
This is another John Barton Vanity Thread. John Barton is an AzB advertiser. Do the math.

pj
chgo
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Actually that's not the reason at all. But the truth has never stopped you from believing your own conjecture before.

This thread didn't have to be this long at all.

If you and the other knockers would just stop the thread would stop naturally.

But the sad fact is that you can't ever leave any thread alone that contains any positive information about aiming systems. You can't stop yourselves from poisoning it and injecting as much fear of aiming systems as possible. You are anti-pool in my opinion.
 
SakuJack said:
Why is this thread not in the aiming sub forum?
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The best question of the entire thread bar none

What's really funny is the poster of the thread has run for the hills since JB not only brought the thread back but hijacked it like a terrorist with a personal vendetta

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JoeyInCali said:
this was a poll.
Was.
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It still IS a poll, you don't see the votes continuing to accrue. It was also a discussion of aiming methods from the first five posts. Blame 336Robin if you really want to talk about this. Why should you care?

Let it go on for ten years as long as it is relatively civil.

You all really trip me out sometimes.
 
one stroke said:
The best question of the entire thread bar none

What's really funny is the poster of the thread has run for the hills since JB not only brought the thread back by hijacked it like a terrorist with a personal vendetta

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Hijacked? Hardly. I offered my experience and opinion on the topic and the usual gang showed up. The only personal vendettas belong to your "gang".
 
JB Cases said:
Actually that's not the reason at all. But the truth has never stopped you from believing your own conjecture before.

This thread didn't have to be this long at all.

If you and the other knockers would just stop the thread would stop naturally.

But the sad fact is that you can't ever leave any thread alone that contains any positive information about aiming systems. You can't stop yourselves from poisoning it and injecting as much fear of aiming systems as possible. You are anti-pool in my opinion.
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Really John? This is from the UNDISPUTED HEAVY WEIGHT CHAMPION OF THE WORLD IN THREAD KILLING. Anything you participate in becomes a death spiral into crazy town. Eventually the original thread gets hijacked into your own personal pig pen or is closed by the mods.

It's your nature:
A scorpion asks a frog to carry it across a river. The frog hesitates, afraid of being stung, but the scorpion argues that if it did so, they would both drown. Considering this, the frog agrees, but midway across the river the scorpion does indeed sting the frog, dooming them both. When the frog asks the scorpion why, the scorpion replies that it was in its nature to do so.​

I'm surprised this thread isn't closed yet:
 

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Nick B said:
Really John? This is from the UNDISPUTED HEAVY WEIGHT CHAMPION OF THE WORLD IN THREAD KILLING. Anything you participate in becomes a death spiral into crazy town. Eventually the original thread gets hijacked into your own personal pig pen or is closed by the mods.

It's your nature:
A scorpion asks a frog to carry it across a river. The frog hesitates, afraid of being stung, but the scorpion argues that if it did so, they would both drown. Considering this, the frog agrees, but midway across the river the scorpion does indeed sting the frog, dooming them both. When the frog asks the scorpion why, the scorpion replies that it was in its nature to do so.​

I'm surprised this thread isn't closed yet:
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Why? No one has been incivil outside the normal incivility that permeates this forum.

I have done nothing but debate the topic.

Nice parable but it really applies to the knocker gang. There was no real need for any debate at all in this thread. I gave my experience with aiming systems as a contribution to the thread and the knockers came out with their usual fear-mongering vitriol.

Why did you wreck another thread said the good natured aiming system frog to the knocker scorpion as they both were dying? It's my nature to knock said the scorpion, if I can't have something good then no one else can either.
 
Tell you what fellas. You knockers have me all obsessed again. It's been so nice to have a year without you. I am not going to post in this thread any longer and hopefully that will allow you to calm down and get your panties untwisted.

Dear readers, any that are left, don't let yourselves be made afraid to try the various aiming systems out there. You can ALWAYS go back to what you were doing, feel, gb, or whatever it was. The worst thing that can happen is you spend some table time learning what doesn't help you in your pool game.

The best thing is you find a better way to aim that strengthens your love of the game and inspires you to play more.
 
ENGLISH! said:
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Originally Posted by Nick B View Post
This is the core of my thinking as well plus all the other variables like spin, squirt, swerve, cling, gearing effects. Like a moon shot they all go in the computer.



Another excerpt taken out of context to distort what someone actually said in full & what they actually meant.

A tactic used rather extensively by CTE advocates.

The title of the thread is:

Do you use an aiming system or go by feel?
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Really, what did he actually mean then.
 
JB Cases said:
If all it was your arguments (sans proof) then that would be one thing. But you have ACTIVELY posted words to the effect of calling people delusional and now apparently have some new premise that CTE "could" cripple a player's game for life.....

You want to instill fear about CTE and other aiming methods and that is a lousy way to be in my opinion. You want to make readers afraid that trying it will mess them up and if they would only just spend more time on the table that's all they need....

Post the math that proves Ghost Ball works? And then tell us how that helps any player ever play better pool.
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Yes.

People are delusional to believe -- with the proffered "proof" to date -- this stuff would work.

And yes again.

If a player were to start performing all the convolutions necessary to accommodate the "instruction sheet" that comes with this insanity, they might very well cripple their pool stroke.

A pool stroke is like a piston engine -- all the components have to be in perfect position and alignment to run smoothly and produce accuracy, power, and speed control. Use something that throws a rod out of alignment and your stroke is going to seize up.

Lou Figueroa
 
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