Do you use an aiming system or go by feel?

[Dan White]

I am glad some of you have the propensity to sift through my YouTube videos and find slow motion imperfections in stroke.......

I wasn't trolling for imperfections in your stroke. I was trying to gain a better understanding of how it is possible to send the object ball in different directions when using the exact same visuals like in your three part video on perception. If I may speak frankly, I think those videos fail to clarify the issue. It still doesn't make sense to me, and in an earlier post of mine I kind of blamed you for not finding the right teaching method to translate this critical part of the CTE system to people trying to understand better. As a teacher I would imagine that to be a challenge you want to meet, and maybe your latest book coming out will do just that. I fully understand that I do not have your DVD, but people who do have it tell me there is no help there, either.

 

[Dan White]

Stan,

I still don't understand why you would want to pivot the cue instead of realigning your stance and shooting straight through?

In the end any aiming system is only good for training your conscious mind.

When you play your best you play in your subconscious mind.

Bill S.

To be clear, the pivot Stan advocates as part of the CTE system is not the "mid stroke swoop" we happened to catch on that video. The pivot is done while getting down on the cue ball before any practice strokes are taken.

 

[Dan White]

Dan and Stan (and whoever else),

For a simple no-special-equipment way to set up a perfect half ball shot to the corner, see the pics below.

Thanks, Pat. That's pretty much the same set up I recommended at the end of my post except I had the edge of the 1 ball lined up with the center line, and you had the cue ball lined up that way. Your method is probably more dead on, but of course still misses the pocket due to throw (unless you just juiced up the balls with Novus ball cleaner for minimal throw).

 

[Patrick Johnson]

Your method is probably more dead on

It's pretty dead on; that's why I like it. The 30-degree no-throw line hits the pocket midway between the points to within 1/8". Yours looks like the same thing, just skewed a little because of the different CB position.

...but of course still misses the pocket due to throw

Throw will vary with the shot (speed, spin) and conditions, and could be enough to miss or not, with a little less risk for the closer cross-table shot.

pj
chgo

 

[GoldenFlash]

I have been watching Josh Roberts (who plays pretty good) and it is very obvious that he is using some type of pivoting aiming system. Whether it is CTE, I do not know.
Alex Pagulayan is doing the same thing only his pivot is not as visible as Josh...he pivots on his last stroke before the hit.
These guys must know something the 'million ball hitters' do not know.
Could it beeee?

 

[JoeyInCali]

I have been watching Josh Roberts (who plays pretty good) and it is very obvious that he is using some type of pivoting aiming system. Whether it is CTE, I do not know.
Alex Pagulayan is doing the same thing only his pivot is not as visible as Josh...he pivots on his last stroke before the hit.
These guys must know something the 'million ball hitters' do not know.
Could it beeee?

Is their pivot part of aiming or applying English ?

 

[RiverCity]

I have been watching Josh Roberts (who plays pretty good) and it is very obvious that he is using some type of pivoting aiming system. Whether it is CTE, I do not know.
Alex Pagulayan is doing the same thing only his pivot is not as visible as Josh...he pivots on his last stroke before the hit.
These guys must know something the 'million ball hitters' do not know.
Could it beeee?

They do know about back hand english, and you apparently doooooooont...... :thumbup:

 

[Ron Swanson]

Poor English! finally has to settle for second place in a posting competition. He must be beside himself, but now that Barton's out he can post all night and maybe catch back up, so all is not lost yet. As of now you are only in fourth place, Pat, with a measly 72 posts in a single thread. Definitely not dedicated to pool like they are, it's pretty obvious now.

Here's the final 8 going into tomorrow's quarterfinals. Looks like the same ol' players we always see in the money in these threads. Lou had a respectable 39 posts, but he will not finish in the money this time. Stan had 21 posts, but he really should have been disqualified since he was only on here to defend himself and not to disrupt things like the real haters.

And Sam Lambert (the OP)? He finished way back in 18th place with only 14 posts. He'll never make pro in five years that way.

47!

If someone had asked how many i thought i had made in this thread, I'd have said about 12-15. Scary.

 

[one stroke]

I have been watching Josh Roberts (who plays pretty good) and it is very obvious that he is using some type of pivoting aiming system. Whether it is CTE, I do not know.
Alex Pagulayan is doing the same thing only his pivot is not as visible as Josh...he pivots on his last stroke before the hit.
These guys must know something the 'million ball hitters' do not know.
Could it beeee?

Of corse at least Alex is of the 5 million hit club

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[one stroke]

Poor English! finally has to settle for second place in a posting competition. He must be beside himself, but now that Barton's out he can post all night and maybe catch back up, so all is not lost yet. As of now you are only in fourth place, Pat, with a measly 72 posts in a single thread. Definitely not dedicated to pool like they are, it's pretty obvious now.

Here's the final 8 going into tomorrow's quarterfinals. Looks like the same ol' players we always see in the money in these threads. Lou had a respectable 39 posts, but he will not finish in the money this time. Stan had 21 posts, but he really should have been disqualified since he was only on here to defend himself and not to disrupt things like the real haters.

And Sam Lambert (the OP)? He finished way back in 18th place with only 14 posts. He'll never make pro in five years that way.

332 posts ,, and here I thought he hijacked the thread , what was I thinkinh

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[ENGLISH!]

Yours is to stop them from knowing what they're trying, right?

pj
chgo

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[ENGLISH!]

I mean what is the purpose of all this argument from people like Pat Johnson, Satori, Thaiger, Joeywhatever, Lou and others?

Some person comes on the forum and says, hey folks I have a method that can improve your aiming and accuracy when playing pool do you want to try it?

And when he explains that method some people try it and report great results, some people try it and report mixed results, some people never try and it and claim it just can't work.

My point is that any person who comes on here does so with the INTENTION of trying to help others get better. Why shoot them down?

Why is there a small group of people who seem to be highly focused on destroying the whole concept of aiming systems in pool? What do these people have to offer to inspire people to play pool?

My answer is nothing. Nothing at all.

As a player who loves the game and doesn't use a system I can be at whatever level I am at and plugging away at my million balls and I don't necessarily get excited but I really love to play. If a new method comes along and I try it and I have good results then I get excited and want to play even more and practice even more and share even more. And if I don't have good results then I am in no worse position than when I started.

Why would anyone work so hard to stop this from happening? Why do they work so hard to kill the joy in learning pool?

Why do you totally misstate reality in your questions?

Is it just to put your slant on things or is it just another opportunity to display you logo, etc. as you have readily admitted?

 

[ENGLISH!]

No, any person can try out any method they want and make whatever determination they want to. They can decide to accept it as is and enjoy the results or dig deeper for answers as to why it works.

The difference is that I encourage people to try it first without overanalyzing. You don't.



Understood. Yet you cannot prove otherwise. You can not and will not take the system to the table and make a video where you prove it's not true. So your actively work hard to prevent people from trying it.

You talked right around Patrick's point about knowing the true nature of what one might decide to try & you attempting to stop them from knowing that.

A video or a demonstration can NOT prove or disprove abstracts like subjectivity nor objectivity in this regard.

 

[ENGLISH!]

Please. Stop with the idiotic games. I can certainly go through my threads and pull out what I think is relevant. I could go back through this one and read through your million words AGAIN and attempt to pull out whatever your single burning question is OR you could simply restate it simply in one sentence.

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What you could have done & what you did not do are 2 totally different things.

That's because it was YOU that was playing an idiotic game & not me.

I just would not play your game & showed that you were not being genuine nor sincere.

 

[ENGLISH!]

It's not about aiming systems it's about CTE and its derivatives and the fact that there is no prima facia case to support those that say CTE works. No math, no geometry, no physics. It's non-sensical videos and the mumbled testimonials of a few fanatics who point and say, "See! The ball went in! It must work!"

If someone is intent on trying it, no one can stop them. If someone wants to waste their time studying it and trying to make it work, no one can stop them.

OTOH, they can listen to the arguments on both sides and make up their minds as to whether they want to press forward. And in this case, *what you don't like* is that those that find fault with your system make far more sense that those who advocate for it.

So keep banging the drum but don't try to stifle the debate, because those pointing out the truth and the problems with CTE will still be here and people will go on to make up their own minds.

Lou Figueroa

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[ENGLISH!]

But, you're in the stop the ghost ball mission. Lint on the table video ?

Err, I'll say it again. Pro 1 video is cheap. People who are interested in buying should buy it. I paid $40 for the first CTE material I saw.


John, look at the thread title . You just want to knock the feel shooters ?

So much for that.

Imo, you are actually doing CTE a disservice as what you teach is not what Stan teaches .
I asked one question. If you were honest about, it would have been done . You flipflopped and danced around it .

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[ENGLISH!]

Practice what you preach John.
You shot down Duckie's arrow . You shot down the ghost ball template . You also misrepresented what ghost ball is .

And you are trying to shoot down the result of this poll.

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[duckie]

The arrow is not mine. It was developed by Babe Cranfield to show where the spot on the table is to put the CB to pocket a ball. He called it the spot, I call it contact patch. My ideas are just a extension of his.

So, yeah why use a system that has a training aid. Just too simple.

Oh, he was Hall of Famer too......is any CTE user?

 

[ENGLISH!]

Tell you what fellas. You knockers have me all obsessed again. It's been so nice to have a year without you. I am not going to post in this thread any longer and hopefully that will allow you to calm down and get your panties untwisted.

Dear readers, any that are left, don't let yourselves be made afraid to try the various aiming systems out there. You can ALWAYS go back to what you were doing, feel, gb, or whatever it was. The worst thing that can happen is you spend some table time learning what doesn't help you in your pool game.

The best thing is you find a better way to aim that strengthens your love of the game and inspires you to play more.

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Dear Readers,

Just know that an assertion regarding ANY 'aiming system' that it is a totally objective 'system' has neither been proven nor unproven.

Knowing that... I suggest that one Buy & Try any system that one wants to, as well one should.

Best Wishes 2 ALL.

 

[ENGLISH!]