Do you use an aiming system or go by feel?

[ribdoner]

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[ENGLISH!]

Well, I do know that was nothing but a trolling post on your part. Or, should I quote your nonsense and state how you aren't omniscient, don't know everything so you are most likely wrong here, are attacking me, ect. ect. (just add the other nonsense you usually say)

By the way, what business is it of yours what I say in a pm to someone else? A little nosey, aren't you?

I can't imagine you having questions about CTE, given your definitive posts on the subject even though some are way off the mark.

So yes, that certainly peaked my interest as to what you might be 'revealing' or 'hiding'.

Dan did not say it was a PM. I thought I might have missed something as I don't really read much of your posts lately.

 

[Dan White]

See, that's the difference between us. I really don't care about exactly why it works.

I understand and I agree with what you are saying.

All I know is this- follow these steps, and it works.

See, this is why I'm trying to analyze the CTE system in more detail. You say "do this" and you'll see the ETA visual. Stan says something different and you will see the ETA visual. I try both and have absolutely no idea how you can get the ETA visual with those instructions. I ask for help and hear crickets chirping. I'd be embarrassed as an educator if I couldn't find a second or third way of transmitting information to people who don't get it from the first method. Or, at least just tell me to go away until I'm a paying customer!

Worry about why it works, and you will never benefit from it. Will CTE work for everyone? No. I say no because some just don't see things the same, and even more can't follow directions without questioning every little step. Instead of seeing where the directions lead them, they jump ahead with their own conclusions to where the steps will lead, and then erroneously come to a conclusion that just doesn't fit the facts.

I think this is a bit of a presumption, but no biggie.

I think it would be rare for anyone to learn CTE right off the bat. It took me trying it, discarding it, and then going back to it again and failing, and then going back and making sure I followed the directions as given verbatim. That is when I had the AHA moment, and also realized that it works exactly like the directions say it does.

First thing you have to do is discard your old way of aiming, listen to the steps, and not prejudge the outcome, but instead observe the outcome.

You do the above, and it still doesn't work for you, then move on to something else that will work for you.

I tried it with Hal over a decade ago. Played around with it here and there and eventually moved on.

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Regards,

 

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So, you really have no idea what happened, but you had to give your two cents anyways just to knock JB again.

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[JB Cases]

LOL. OK, but let's be sure we understand each other. I'm not saying that Stan is necessarily swooping his cue as he strokes forward. I'm saying that he changes the path of the cue at the end of the backswing by pulling it in, and then propels the cue forward in a straight line that is different from his warm up stroke which represents the CTE Pro1 line up (that is, until .004 seconds after contact at which point the cue gets jolted back in line). I'm very keen to this motion because it is exactly what I used to do, and probably still do from time to time.

Ok. This does not mean that the cue is not going straight through the cue ball. Do your analysis on Bustamante's stroke for example and his cue moves like an s before contact and straight at contact.

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[Neil]

I can't imagine you having questions about CTE, given your definitive posts on the subject even though some are way off the mark.

So yes, that certainly peaked my interest as to what you might be 'revealing' or 'hiding'.

Dan did not say it was a PM. I thought I might have missed something as I don't really read much of your posts lately.

How would you know if any of them were off the mark when you have repeatedly shown on here that you really have no clue of what you are even talking about with CTE? Well known fact on here, that has been pointed out to you by a number of people. All you are after is a vendetta against someone you feel wronged you.

Not once have you ever stated anything towards how CTE might work, but you are right there within minutes anytime someone posts something that you think you can use as ammo against the system. Then you always add the phrasing of that you aren't actually against it, and people should use it if they want to. Like no one can see right through that garbage. You are just trying to cover your rear end to keep from getting a permanent ban. How many times does Mike have to tell you to stay out if you aren't going to add anything constructive?

 

[LAMas]

OK, thanks. I looked over your video carefully and I have to disagree with your contention that the first CTE stroke Stan did was straight. I redid my video with a closer view of Stan's stroke for only his first CTE shot, which is the one you spent the most time discussing.

For reference, here is my initial video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wpljeVvOqRs&feature=youtu.be

and here is JB's reply to my video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=THkFF7FBGBA

and here is my latest video in response to yours:
https://youtu.be/FWZEoyoYMQ8

Once everybody is in agreement with what we are actually seeing, then maybe we can go another step as to whether it this is unusual, or if it is routine for Stan, does it matter, does it say anything about CT1, and so on.

Comments?

OK Dan,

First this a great telling post.

A true 30 degree 1/2 ball hit would be with the OB in the center of the table -as you said or the second shot (blue 2 ball). A more true 30 degree 1/2 ball hit would have the CB parallel to the side rails and in line with the edge of the OB and not in line with the center of the OB.

If he hits this shot with center CB (stun) he will hit the shot thick because of CIT. He puts outside english (OE) to neutralize the CIT and I guess the OB goes into the pocket.

The first shot is above center (orange 3 Ball) so it is greater than 30 degree 1/2 ball hit so there should be more OE to throw the OB into the pocket - the stroke is not hitting the center of the CB but to his right of center to do this.

His his thumb and bridge hand are in the same place on both shots. The CB is also in the same place (yellow 1 ball).

So the distance on the second shot (OB in the middle of the table) between the CB and the OB is closer than the first shot (3ball) and the distance between the CB and OB on the first shot is greater.

The post pivot line for manual CTE Is 1.19 degrees to the outside if the CTE line (pre-pivot) and is farther out from the OB on the first shot than the second shot since it travels farther out. - this also helps to increase the cut angle.

So both OE and the CB traveling farther away from the OB as the distance increases the cut angle is greater/thinner....and I guess the ball goes into the pocket.

Be well.

 

[Dan White]

Ok. This does not mean that the cue is not going straight through the cue ball. Do your analysis on Bustamante's stroke for example and his cue moves like an s before contact and straight at contact.

John -- are you telling me that Stan's final stroke bears any resemblance to his warm up stroke, which was established by his CTE visuals? I even measured the angle between his warm up cue and the cue during the actual stroke. I didn't post the number of degrees because it would take more time than I cared to spend to make the number as accurate as I could. It is a very measurable angle.

If Bustamente uses CTE and still swoops offline I'll give him a call and straighten him out.

 

[ENGLISH!]

How would you know if any of them were off the mark when you have repeatedly shown on here that you really have no clue of what you are even talking about with CTE? Well known fact on here, that has been pointed out to you by a number of people. All you are after is a vendetta against someone you feel wronged you.

Not once have you ever stated anything towards how CTE might work, but you are right there within minutes anytime someone posts something that you think you can use as ammo against the system. Then you always add the phrasing of that you aren't actually against it, and people should use it if they want to. Like no one can see right through that garbage. You are just trying to cover your rear end to keep from getting a permanent ban. How many times does Mike have to tell you to stay out if you aren't going to add anything constructive?

You're nothing but full of hot air.

It's you that do not even know what the real issue is that is under discussion.

I've said in words that were probably above your level of understanding that CTE does not work because it's core is completely objective & that it works for those that is does because of their individual subjective analysis & application.

You seem to always think that everyone is trying to learn how to do something. That is not always the case & is hardly ever the case in these CTE discussions.

I'm very sorry to say it, but you're way off the ball when it comes to what's going on here.

You Have & Great Evening & I'll be Praying for Ya.

PS What questions do YOU have about Stan's CTE?

 

[JoeyInCali]

OK Dan,

First this a great telling post.

A true 30 degree 1/2 ball hit would be with the OB in the center of the table -as you said or the second shot. A more true 30 degree 1/2 ball hit would have the CB parallel to the side rails and in line with the edge of the CB and not in line with the center of the OB.

If he hits this shot with center CB (stun) he will hit the shot thick because of CIT. He puts outside english (OE) to neutralize the CIT and I guess the OB goes into the pocket.

The first shot is above center (3 Ball) so it is greater than 30 degree 1/2 ball hit so there should be more OE to throw the OB into the pocket - the stroke is not hitting the center of the CB but to his right of center to do this.

His his thumb and bridge hand are in the same place on both shots.

So the distance on the second shot (OB in the middle of the table) between the CB and the OB is closer than the first shot (3ball) and the distance between the CB and OB on the first shot is greater.

The post pivot line for manual CTE Is 1.19 degrees to the outside if the CTE line (pre-pivot) and is farther out from the OB on the first shot than the second shot since it travels farther out. - this also helps to increase the cut angle.

So both OE and the CB traveling farther away from the OB as the distance increases the cut angle is greater/thinner....and I guess the ball goes into the pocket.

Be well.

Then wouldn't you go down on the table with that tip pointing a little outside of the OB ?

 

[Dan White]

Then wouldn't you go down on the table with that tip pointing a little outside of the OB ?

I think LAMas made a typo. I think he meant to say that a true 30 degree hit is one where instead of the CB and OB being down the centerline of the table, the OB is shifted over 1/2 ball diameter so that the CB is pointing straight down the table at the edge of the OB. I think LAMas typed "CB" instead of "OB" if I read correctly.

 

[ENGLISH!]

John -- are you telling me that Stan's final stroke bears any resemblance to his warm up stroke, which was established by his CTE visuals? I even measured the angle between his warm up cue and the cue during the actual stroke. I didn't post the number of degrees because it would take more time than I cared to spend to make the number as accurate as I could. It is a very measurable angle.

If Bustamente uses CTE and still swoops offline I'll give him a call and straighten him out.

Dan,

You're starting to get a 'visual' representation of what the definition of fanatic is.

fa·nat·ic (fə-năt′ĭk)
n.
A person marked or motivated by an extreme, unreasoning enthusiasm, as for a cause.
adj.
Fanatical.

Best 2 Ya.

 

[ENGLISH!]

I think LAMas made a typo. I think he meant to say that a true 30 degree hit is one where instead of the CB and OB being down the centerline of the table, the OB is shifted over 1/2 ball diameter so that the CB is pointing straight down the table at the edge of the OB. I think LAMas typed "CB" instead of "OB" if I read correctly.

That's what I thought too.

 

[Neil]

You're nothing but full of hot air.

It's you that do not even know what the real issue is that is under discussion.

I've said in words that were probably above your level of understanding that CTE does not work because it's core is completely objective & that it works for those that is does because of their individual subjective analysis & application.

You seem to always think that everyone is trying to learn how to do something. That is not always the case & is hardly ever the case in these CTE discussions.

I'm very sorry to say it, but you're way off the ball when it comes to what's going on here.

You Have & Great Evening & I'll be Praying for Ya.

PS What questions do YOU have about Stan's CTE?

I would put your words more in the category of below my understanding. But, I do agree that most of what you say makes no sense to me. (or anyone else for that matter)

What question do I have about CTE? That's easy to answer. Why do you keep on trolling every thread about CTE when you have been offered free lessons on it by Stan which you refused to go to? Why keep on talking and talking and talking about that which you know so little about? When are you going to stop your petty vendettas against Stan and anyone that dares disagree with your nonsense on here about CTE? Why don't you ever answer any questions directed at what you state on here about CTE? When are you going to do what a number of people in this very thread have asked you to do with CTE, and that is to just STFU about it? Need I go on?

 

[LAMas]

Then wouldn't you go down on the table with that tip pointing a little outside of the OB ?

Yup.

I was playing along with Hal's manual CTE with the CTE starting line, 1/2 tip parallel shift to the side and then pivot back to the center CB and shoot and comparing that to the geometrically correct CTE cut of 30 degrees without the effects of CIT that thickens the angle.

By applying the above to the CIT line and shifting to the inside of the CB and OB pre-pivot, this would be pointing a little to the outside of the OB post-pivot that helps.

Be well

 

[Dan White]

I watched this video of Stevie Moore with interest as it addresses the idea of getting a different cut angle from the same visuals. I waited to hear something that could make me understand better. Disappointingly, the answer appears to be "that's the nature of center to edge" and "you'll see it for yourself when you try it." Well I didn't see it for myself somehow. The object ball plows into the side rail 6" away from the side pocket when I try it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l1mlnRiAXA8

Do any of you remember that thing awhile back with the photo of a lady in a blue dress? Some people saw the dress as white, and others as blue. It created a big stir in the media. It turns out that some people process visual images differently than others, so the light around the dress caused some to truly see a white dress when in reality it was blue (or something like that).

This CTE thing seems to have some similarity to that.

 

[LAMas]

I think LAMas made a typo. I think he meant to say that a true 30 degree hit is one where instead of the CB and OB being down the centerline of the table, the OB is shifted over 1/2 ball diameter so that the CB is pointing straight down the table at the edge of the OB. I think LAMas typed "CB" instead of "OB" if I read correctly.

Corrected.
Thanks

 

[Neil]

I watched this video of Stevie Moore with interest as it addresses the idea of getting a different cut angle from the same visuals. I waited to hear something that could make me understand better. Disappointingly, the answer appears to be "that's the nature of center to edge" and "you'll see it for yourself when you try it." Well I didn't see it for myself somehow. The object ball plows into the side rail 6" away from the side pocket when I try it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l1mlnRiAXA8

Do any of you remember that thing awhile back with the photo of a lady in a blue dress? Some people saw the dress as white, and others as blue. It created a big stir in the media. It turns out that some people process visual images differently than others, so the light around the dress caused some to truly see a white dress when in reality it was blue (or something like that).

This CTE thing seems to have some similarity to that.

Dan, have you tried to reverse engineer it? Get on what you feel is the correct shot line, and then reverse the steps. See if that works for you or not. Seeing the visuals correctly can take some time. It is a different way of seeing. Part of what Stan calls visual intelligence.

As in your example of the dress, if ones sees a blue dress, they also can usually at times also see a white dress by looking at it differently. It can just be a matter of learning to see differently than you are used to.

 

[ENGLISH!]

I would put your words more in the category of below my understanding. But, I do agree that most of what you say makes no sense to me. (or anyone else for that matter)

What question do I have about CTE? That's easy to answer. Why do you keep on trolling every thread about CTE when you have been offered free lessons on it by Stan which you refused to go to? Why keep on talking and talking and talking about that which you know so little about? When are you going to stop your petty vendettas against Stan and anyone that dares disagree with your nonsense on here about CTE? Why don't you ever answer any questions directed at what you state on here about CTE? When are you going to do what a number of people in this very thread have asked you to do with CTE, and that is to just STFU about it? Need I go on?

As I've said, your off the ball regarding just what is going on here.

Also you really do seem to have a rather severe reading comprehension issue.

I asked you what are your questions about Stan's CTE... not me.

 

[Neil]

As I've said, your off the ball regarding just what is going on here.

Also you really do seem to have a rather severe reading comprehension issue.

I asked you what are your questions about CTE... not me.

Thanks, I won that bet. You insulted me, and gave not a single answer to any of the questions. :grin: