Does Barry Really 'Own' The US Open Name?

The trademark appears to have been abandoned.

This only means the federal registration was abandoned. He still owns the trademark only it's not federally registered. Many people don't understand that registration does not confer ownership instead it only lays federal claim to it.
 
Worth something but not much
Read some discussion about him wanting to sell Qmasters for 2 million and US open
https://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=373631

Much cheaper to start a new name, satisfy WPA criteria and get WPA sanction
That way also leave behind garbage associated with BB :D

I am of the opinion that at the end of the day neither the US Open or Barry is that hurt over payment issues. He still holds the event each year, players still show up and we see great matches.

If anyone were to come in and want to buy it then I think that they would not be hurt either by any of Barry's past troubles. To me it's a tarnished brand at worst that needs a little polish to be great again without the drama.
 
Wouldn't be bad to purchase the name from him with an agreed upon payment to him every year. At this point I don't think the name itself is worth a whole lot of money. It's a losing proposition, but could be tweaked and fixed I believe. But buying the rights to run the tournament is something that should be considered.
 
the wpa brings nothing to the table and never has

you could start a tourney and call it the US Open if you had the funds,very very easily without much fear of legal consequence, trust me on that

not sure what the point of that would be though, you guys are acting as if the namke actually means something or is worth something,
, it means nothing and is worth nothing
 
Wouldn't be bad to purchase the name from him with an agreed upon payment to him every year. At this point I don't think the name itself is worth a whole lot of money. It's a losing proposition, but could be tweaked and fixed I believe. But buying the rights to run the tournament is something that should be considered.

Buy the name and make a service agreement with him. He could handle the funds and be the bartender.
 
Why would anyone pay a penny for the name? It is not worth a thing. People in business buy things to make money. Based on the shenanigans of late it would seem that the US Open doesn't make any. And why would you "buy the rights to run the tournament"? What would you be paying for? It doesn't matter what the name of the tournament is if you give away enough money and you get 128 of the best players. If you had "Fred's 9 Ball Championship" and had a final like they did this weekend, would you care that it wasn't called the US Open? The American 9Ball Open Championship has a nice ring to it. And that is free.

Bob
 
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the wpa brings nothing to the table and never has

you could start a tourney and call it the US Open if you had the funds,very very easily without much fear of legal consequence, trust me on that

not sure what the point of that would be though, you guys are acting as if the namke actually means something or is worth something,
, it means nothing and is worth nothing
The trademark exists and you can't legally use it. What value it has or doesn't is not material.
 
re-read...as mentioned, I said you could without fear of legal consequence, not that it would be legal
big difference
 
Whether or not he owns the name is hardly relevant. I'm guessing he legally owns the name and could cause a lot of problems for a third party, trying to use the name, if he chose to. Given the financial state of professional pool, if someone had $100,000 to blow and wanted to hold a tournament, they could name it anything they wanted and players would show. If I were to do it, I'd call it the US.World Cup or something like that as it more accurately describes the player content.
 
The name of an event is trademarked upon use. A trademark is established upon first use in commerce whether or not it is federally registered. Given that there have been sanctioned qualifiers held all over the country it is safe to say that the US OPEN 9 Ball Championships brand is established and recognized as a trademark by common folks all over America.

In fact when the term US OPEN is used in pool conversation most think immediately of the US Open 9 Ball Championship and no other event.

Thus, Barry does in fact own the trademark.

From another AZ:

http://yourbusiness.azcentral.com/can-trademark-event-10162.html
http://yourbusiness.azcentral.com/duration-trademark-registration-20982.html
 
I am of the opinion that at the end of the day neither the US Open or Barry is that hurt over payment issues. He still holds the event each year, players still show up and we see great matches.

If anyone were to come in and want to buy it then I think that they would not be hurt either by any of Barry's past troubles. To me it's a tarnished brand at worst that needs a little polish to be great again without the drama.

Best opinion on the entire matter. IMHO of course.

No one stands to lose more money than the winner of the tournament. After last year's payout fiasco, Shane expressed his opinion about the delays (Maybe during a TAR podcast, not sure, though). IIRC he was in support of Barry, and was sure that players would eventually be paid.

The question I have for many folks is, "would we rather that this prestigious event simply ceased, or are we willing to suffer through the shenanigans and let it go on?"

C'mon, this is the most coveted prize in pool in this country, maybe the entire world. This is the one you grow up dreaming about, the one every pro desperately wants on his lifetime list of accomplishments, the one you get embroidered on the back of your shooting vest when you win it more than anybody else has.

I would be deeply saddened by the demise of the Open, and so, I believe, would every top player in the country. Let's continue to find ways to fix it instead of just heaping crap on the guy who's apparently having a real hard time continuing to do it.
 
It is hard to get investors or sell a business venture that has a long track record of not making money. Investors need to know there is some chance of making a profit (profit is not a bad word).

Until someone finds a way to make the event profitable I don't expect things to change much. Barry has problems making the payments because the funds just aren't there. I don't know how much longer he can continue trying to run the event with the financial stress involved and the beating that he takes verbally.
 
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