Does Donny want a rematch

[Nostroke]

The guy likes to gamble, he lost in a very close match where he felt his break was not working near as well as normal.

I don't think it has anything at all to do with him thinking anything bad about Chen or trying to high roll her.

He was very complimentative to her and the way she played after the match.

I just think he feels like if he gets his break working he feels he can win at that game, and it has nothing to do with her being female or Fargo ratings.

The guy is a very smart gambler and has a very good track record.

He drilled Kiamco for the cash one year at the US Open-Rack your own and he was making a ball on 90%+of his breaks. After the match Kiamco and a few other filipinos all gathered around the table and tried to figure out his rack/break. They didnt but i imagine by now they have.

 

[jasonlaus]

I'll take some of that action and bet Siming when it gets finalized.

Btw, I think Donny should be on our M Cup team and have said it many times in the past, have also bet on him many times.

I gotta take the other side on this one, if for no other reason than talking crap:grin-square:
Jason<----still can't believe he lost to Shane in that match.

 

[Icon of Sin]

Donny came close to beating SVB in a race to 100 I believe for 5,000.00. He was well in the lead in the later stages before Shane finally caught up and won. That was @ 5 years ago. He also took Both Mika and Ralf to hill - hill in his last two matches at the US Open to finish 3rd. Make no mistake. Donny can play.

Let's tell the full story here...

... nevermind, someone beat me to it.

 

[Bob Jewett]

Here is an older thread from back around the time that Donny and SVB played.

Someone mentions that Donny made the wing ball 82 out of 83 breaks in that match.

https://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=163080&highlight=donny+mills+ball

And some people don't think the break shot at nine ball is a trick shot.

 

[RiverCity]

And some people don't think the break shot at nine ball is a trick shot.

With Simonis cloth and racking templates etc? Yep it sure is.

Seems to me these issues did not exist in the days of old, with Stevens and similar style nap cloths and wooden racks. But I used to get punched and kicked in the head for a hobby, so my memory might be off. :thumbup:

A lot of the "solutions" that people have come up with over the years, to somehow make pool 'better', have been the cause of far more problems than any of the original issues that the "solutions" were intended to correct, IMO.

 

[gxman]

How much was the original match?

 

[Black-Balled]

How much was the original match?

Its 9.99 and it's all the time. Act now. Supplies are limited.

 

[Bob Jewett]

... Seems to me these issues did not exist in the days of old, with Stevens and similar style nap cloths and wooden racks. ...

I think the issues did exist but few players knew the traps and tricks. I know a player who probably set up the dents in the rack area (in the Stevens cloth) to make the nine ball frequently dead on the only table he played on. Whether he placed the dents or not, he certainly took advantage of them. He was the house man and that was the front table.

How many road players studied racking and gaps and such? Maybe Corey was not the first to figure out pattern racking.

These days there is a problem because the techniques and knowledge get shared quickly and the holes in the rules become obvious. I don't think the situation is significantly different from before.

 

[jrctherake]

I think the issues did exist but few players knew the traps and tricks. I know a player who probably set up the dents in the rack area (in the Stevens cloth) to make the nine ball frequently dead on the only table he played on. Whether he placed the dents or not, he certainly took advantage of them. He was the house man and that was the front table.

How many road players studied racking and gaps and such? Maybe Corey was not the first to figure out pattern racking.

These days there is a problem because the techniques and knowledge get shared quickly and the holes in the rules become obvious. I don't think the situation is significantly different from before.

tap tap tap


Exactly. I think players like Earl and Corey brought things to light for the masses. When before the age of the personal computer, an "A" or even "B" player somewhere was pattern racking, gaping racks, using extensions, some sorta glove etc.etc.etc...

The one Corey had that most of the players of old did not have was the magic rack and the like. It is much easier to wire balls and pattern break with templates.

Most people talk about pattern racking. Well, pattern racking means nothing if you do not hit the rack the same each time.

A buddy plays at my house ever now and then. He pattern racks but he does not pattern break. He puts the balls in same position every time but after he breaks the layout is different each and every time.

I'm sure you know much more than I do but that is my experience with the supposedly new gadgets of today.

Rake

 

[JB Cases]

Since he lost by only two games does he want to play again. Maybe so many
ahead or a long race. Or does he feel that he can't win, It's not like he lost 15-0.
He might have said and I just missed it.
jack

I saw one thread where Donny said he would like to triple the race and triple the bet.

Another thread Siming's U.S. backer said there is a rematch planned for more money but no information on how much and the et length.

I personally feel that if both players are playing their best and the race is long and even then Siming wins again. I feel that she is the better player.

But, at that level either player could play worse, at or better than their rating for any given stretch of games. So it would be an interesting and pivotal match in the history of mixed gender matches to see a long race between two world-class players.

 

[JB Cases]

Although he complimented her on how she played, something tells me that he still doesn't believe that she is the favorite to win based on the Fargo Ratings/skill levels.

Many times people gamble playing even, knowing that they are the underdog. Maybe he has a good feel after the first match that if he can just dig down deep and run a few packages, that he can win. But not realizing that you are the underdog could be a recipe for going broke if you can't raise your level of play when really pushing yourself in an important match.

I agree. Donny has HEART for days and the game to back it up. As a former road player told me about back in the day....you didn't just play a player once...if you got beat you kept going back until you beat them or you until you finally had to admit you could not win. But if you were trying to be the best then you never admitted you could not win and you kept learning and kept hammering.

I watched the match, and I thought Chen was the better player. I also think she's got more potential to play better than mr. Mills does. I think she's capable of playing better, looked like she zoned out a bit in the middle there...

I think both of them played under their speed in stretches and both of them played brilliantly in stretches. As Mike Page is fond of saying....more data is better so I am looking forward to the rematch.

Maybe you didn't watch that match or you don't know that Donny is an expert in the 9-ball break. Donny did in fact make the wing ball around 85% of the time. Shane did not make a ball on the break as often as Donny. Plus, with pattern racking allowed, Donny ended-up with very close to the same rack to run very often.

Shane won that match by switching to his power break. That alone seemed to shake Donny a bit and he started to falter after that. But I say that Donny breaks as good as anyone in the world at 9-ball with the 1-ball on the spot.

EDIT: I should clarify, Donny's break didn't falter, but he started to miss balls and not get out after Shane switched to his power break. If Donny kept the same level of ball pocketing the entire match, he wins.

This is true. Shane tried for a long time in the match to emulate Donny's break without the same level of success.

Let me first say Donny grew up playing in our room so I've been watching him since he was in his mid teens. So, not many are more familiar with Him than I am. That would include his breaks. But, that said, I would be really interested to see the break stats on that match. I do know Shane wasn't breaking as well as Donny for at least half the match and when he settled in to his normal break, he began pulling ahead. It sounds as if you have those stats. Post them here for us. Would be much appreciated, thanks.

And, just for the record, once again, Donny plays SCARY-good. And even though I think she's a stone-cold killer and by far the best female player I've seen, I believe Donny would win in a race to 100. And, of course, the time-tested qualifier here: This is simply MHO.

I would love to see that race. I have to bet on Siming though but I wouldn't be unhappy if Donny won.

I do want a rematch. I may not win but I will try. She out broke me and only won by 2 games. I bet the next time we play we will both play better. I’ll also side bet that the next time we play it will be me out breaking her.

Heart for Days! More players should be like you.

Sorry, I didn't do stats on that match. But I have looked at a couple of the old threads:

• This match was TAR17, played in Nov. 2009. Time flies!

• Shane led by 10 at 15-5 and 31-21. Then Donny won 26 of the next 40 games to take a 2-game lead after Day 1 at 47-45.

• Donny built his lead to 9 by winning 8 of the first 9 games on Day 2 (55-46), which means Donny had won 34 of 49 games at that point.

• Donny's lead was still significant at 68-61. Then Shane won 9 of the next 11 games to tie the match at 70-70.

• Then Shane started building his lead, getting to 10 ahead at 85-75. They played about even for the next 15 games, taking it to 92-83.

• Shane won the last 8 games in a row for a 100-83 victory. So Shane won 39 of the last 54 games.

So it was a match with a couple big winning stretches -- a 34-15 stretch (part in each of the two days) in Donny's favor and then a 39-15 stretch by Shane, apparently after (or mostly after) he changed to a power break.

[And, yes, Jaden reported at the time that Donny was wet on 82 of his 83 breaks.]

Somebody nominate this man for the Hall of Fame!

 

[Michael Andros]

I agree. Donny has HEART for days and the game to back it up. As a former road player told me about back in the day....you didn't just play a player once...if you got beat you kept going back until you beat them or you until you finally had to admit you could not win. But if you were trying to be the best then you never admitted you could not win and you kept learning and kept hammering.



I think both of them played under their speed in stretches and both of them played brilliantly in stretches. As Mike Page is fond of saying....more data is better so I am looking forward to the rematch.



This is true. Shane tried for a long time in the match to emulate Donny's break without the same level of success.



I would love to see that race. I have to bet on Siming though but I wouldn't be unhappy if Donny won.



Heart for Days! More players should be like you.



Somebody nominate this man for the Hall of Fame!

I think I'd bet on Donny but it wouldn't surprise me if I got snapped off. She's that good.

Btw your cases are GORGEOUS. I should've bought one.