does leather 1st ed Winning 1P book exist?

[hunger strike]

I know a guy that wants to sell me a Winning One Pocket, FIRST EDITION, that he says is the LEATHER BOUND COVER like the second edition I have. Did Eddie Robin publish this book in leather? The seller says that the book has the stamped signatures of the co-authors inside the cover. Problem is Eddie Robin has not answered me regarding whether he made the first ed. in leather or not. Please let me know..... I have all 3 other Robin books in leather so it would be nice to have a 4th book. YES, I know that the first edition is inferior and has errors.... I don't care, so don't waste our time on this thread going over that again...... just need to know leather answer..... thanks!

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[Robert Raiford]

I know a guy that wants to sell me a Winning One Pocket, FIRST EDITION, that he says is the LEATHER BOUND COVER like the second edition I have. Did Eddie Robin publish this book in leather? The seller says that the book has the stamped signatures of the co-authors inside the cover.

Did he publish them any other way? Mine is an error-filled first edition with the signatures in different color inks, and it seems to be leather-bound.

Robert

 

[Bob Jewett]

Did he publish them any other way? Mine is an error-filled first edition with the signatures in different color inks, and it seems to be leather-bound.

Robert

That binding is "leatherette" rather than leather. There are also plainer bindings (smoother but the same color) of both W1P and SM&S. Eddie's carom book was only done with leatherette so far as I know. In addition there were limited numbered runs (32 each?) of the one pocket books that were bound in lizard skin. Eddie is still selling his remaining stock of SM&S on Ebay but seems to be out of the other books.

 

[Eddie Robin]

I know a guy that wants to sell me a Winning One Pocket, FIRST EDITION, that he says is the LEATHER BOUND COVER like the second edition I have. Did Eddie Robin publish this book in leather? The seller says that the book has the stamped signatures of the co-authors inside the cover. Problem is Eddie Robin has not answered me regarding whether he made the first ed. in leather or not. Please let me know..... I have all 3 other Robin books in leather so it would be nice to have a 4th book. YES, I know that the first edition is inferior and has errors.... I don't care, so don't waste our time on this thread going over that again...... just need to know leather answer..... thanks!

X-CONDITION TITLIST FOR SALE!!!!!!!

You mention that i've not replied to you; was it a phone, email, or AZ billiard message? I'm not aware of ever receiving such a message and would very, very, VERY much like to know what happened to it.

The answer to your question is yes, there were first editions of bonded-leather bound W1Ps but those with bonded-leather without signatures were illegal copies from among either the 240 that i know of (and possibly many more) that were stolen from my Phoenix storage unit by unethical guy I'd fully trusted that worked with me or from a printer 'overrun' that I'm not supposed to know about.

Anyone wants to reach me should do so via my er89121@aol.com address because I sometimes don't get to any of the billiard forums for several weeks at a time. Enter 'W1P' or 'AZ Billiards' or something that would be sure to get my attention for I certainly don't want to delete your comm thinking it junk mail.

Eddie Robin

Eddie Robin

 

[Eddie Robin]

Data Re his books from Eddie Robin

That binding is "leatherette" rather than leather. There are also plainer bindings (smoother but the same color) of both W1P and SM&S. Eddie's carom book was only done with leatherette so far as I know. In addition there were limited numbered runs (32 each?) of the one pocket books that were bound in lizard skin. Eddie is still selling his remaining stock of SM&S on Ebay but seems to be out of the other books.

That binding is "leatherette" rather than leather. There are also plainer bindings (smoother but the same color) of both W1P and SM&S. Eddie's carom book was only done with leatherette so far as I know. In addition there were limited numbered runs (32 each?) of the one pocket books that were bound in lizard skin. Eddie is still selling his remaining stock of SM&S on Ebay but seems to be out of the other books.

Hi Bob,

Approximately 60% of around 2,500 P3C bks printed were "leatherette" as per printer-binder, but he ran out of that material. Remaining 40% was supposed to have been "leatherette" as well but have doubts 'cause of how that binder proved himself so unethical that I don't trust anything he had told me. I know the diff when I see them but would need photos of both to explain differences.

That P3C bk quite scarce from having to leave almost 500 of my 2,500 ttl in Buenos Aires May? of '80 (revolution in progress--armed soldiers at airport demanded more than I had in payoffs to permit bks to be loaded on flight to Santiago, Chili).

The W1P bks are not quite as scarce as SMSs; around 4,750 ttl. of both edit. I'll mention how around 3,500 SMS bks printed, but I've still got many of them left. As for all baloney re several reprintings, only reprinting ever done on any of my bks was a very short run of 2nd edit. W1Ps done back in '93 or '94 that failed to fully make up for the approximately 300 damaged from heaviest rain of year (bot 2 or 3 of ea 9-bk box ruined). Yes, I finally placed all boxes on pallets.

Accumulation of such ridiculous incidents and thefts is at least mostly why I'm no longer in bus despite having put out the best of billiard instructional books.

Re bonded-leather editions of W1P- & SMS-bks, quite sure they were of bonded leather. I'd always thought *(still unsure) what was once "leatherette" was later "bonded-leather".

 

[Gerry]

i have a set my bud lent me.....where do they fall in the grand scheme of things?


G.

 

[Robert Raiford]

That binding is "leatherette" rather than leather. There are also plainer bindings (smoother but the same color) of both W1P and SM&S. Eddie's carom book was only done with leatherette so far as I know. In addition there were limited numbered runs (32 each?) of the one pocket books that were bound in lizard skin. Eddie is still selling his remaining stock of SM&S on Ebay but seems to be out of the other books.

Thanks for the info, Bob. My W1P does seem slightly different - possibly smoother - than my 3C and SM&S copies now that I look more closely. When you say the plainer ones have the same color, do you mean they are actually solid colors or do they give the appearance of being textured like the leatherette editions? Were any of the plainer ones autograph editions?

Robert

 

[jay helfert]

My W1P is definitely leather bound, with a different texture than the cover of my SMS. Hello Eddie, do you remember when you asked me to help you out by buying eleven cases of W1P and SMS, 99 books total. I think the deal was you needed two grand and against my better judgement I bought all eleven cases from you.

It took me a couple of years to sell them all at $40 a pop. Oh, how I wish I would have held onto them! That's $15-20,000 worth of books today. I value your two books more than any others I have in my collection. They are MASTERPIECES! :thumbup:

 

[BRKNRUN]

My W1P is definitely leather bound, with a different texture than the cover of my SMS. Hello Eddie, do you remember when you asked me to help you out by buying eleven cases of W1P and SMS, 99 books total. I think the deal was you needed two grand and against my better judgement I bought all eleven cases from you.

It took me a couple of years to sell them all at $40 a pop. Oh, how I wish I would have held onto them! That's $15-20,000 worth of books today. I value your two books more than any others I have in my collection. They are MASTERPIECES! :thumbup:

LOL....I remember some guy walking through the Golden 8-Ball back in 93 or 94 that had an armful of W1P (and I think SMS) He was selling them for $30...I did not know who the guy was....

At the time I was so brand new to pool I did not even know what 1-pocket meant.....so I passed on the book.

Hindsight is always 20/20:wink:

 

[Eddie Robin]

That binding is "leatherette" rather than leather. There are also plainer bindings (smoother but the same color) of both W1P and SM&S. Eddie's carom book was only done with leatherette so far as I know. In addition there were limited numbered runs (32 each?) of the one pocket books that were bound in lizard skin. Eddie is still selling his remaining stock of SM&S on Ebay but seems to be out of the other books.

That binding is "leatherette" rather than leather. There are also plainer bindings (smoother but the same color) of both W1P and SM&S. Eddie's carom book was only done with leatherette so far as I know. In addition there were limited numbered runs (32 each?) of the one pocket books that were bound in lizard skin. Eddie is still selling his remaining stock of SM&S on Ebay but seems to be out of the other books.

Hi Bob, My signature editions of SMS and W1P are of genuine bonded-leather (real leather). The way I understand it, real genuine leather when in a single, large piece is more difficult to work with and easily more expensive and not as uniformly flat but very, very nice. Bonded leather is of tiny pieces of genuine leather that have been somehow pressed and bonded together. I was never sure if "leatherette" was simply an earlier term for what was later called bonded-leather or if "leatherette" was of a material fully devoid of any actual leather.

Believe you already understand, but I'll explain just to be sure; the "lizard books" were also bound with genuine bonded-leather as were the signature editions. The difference was more than the color or grain of the material; a bunch of authentic signatures were collected from co-authors for the regular bonded-leather SMSs and W1Ps that were later transferred to end-sheets (in other words, though varied, not hand-signed), whereas the lizard-style bonded-leather editions were made with overly large end-sheets sent to all 12 co-authors for their signatures and those end-sheets were then sent to printer so as to have books made with actual hand-signed signatures (that was actually more of a job than getting opinionated input on both semi-final editions together from those same 12 co-authors).

Certainly hope that handles a great many of the questions re my books. Eddie Robin

 

[Bob Jewett]

... When you say the plainer ones have the same color, do you mean they are actually solid colors or do they give the appearance of being textured like the leatherette editions? Were any of the plainer ones autograph editions?

Robert

It's solid color and smooth with almost no texture although there is some very slight texture on some of the duplicates I have. I have not seen signatures in the "smooth" versions, but Eddie will have a more authoritative answer since I can only comment on the two dozen or so books I've seen.

 

[Mike Templeton]

I have one.......signed by all the authors.

Mike

 

[T-dog]

I know a guy that wants to sell me a Winning One Pocket, FIRST EDITION, that he says is the LEATHER BOUND COVER like the second edition I have. Did Eddie Robin publish this book in leather? The seller says that the book has the stamped signatures of the co-authors inside the cover. Problem is Eddie Robin has not answered me regarding whether he made the first ed. in leather or not. Please let me know..... I have all 3 other Robin books in leather so it would be nice to have a 4th book. YES, I know that the first edition is inferior and has errors.... I don't care, so don't waste our time on this thread going over that again...... just need to know leather answer..... thanks!

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I have seen one of each of the books that are lizard (alligator?) skin bound, signed by all the authors.

 

[jay helfert]

I guess Eddie forgot when he was in a jam and needed two grand who helped him out. What else is new? :wink:

 

[NewStroke]

Jay, I heard you had the hand written copy, is this true?

 

[Zbotiman]

Green?

I know a guy that wants to sell me a Winning One Pocket, FIRST EDITION, that he says is the LEATHER BOUND COVER like the second edition I have. Did Eddie Robin publish this book in leather? The seller says that the book has the stamped signatures of the co-authors inside the cover. Problem is Eddie Robin has not answered me regarding whether he made the first ed. in leather or not. Please let me know..... I have all 3 other Robin books in leather so it would be nice to have a 4th book. YES, I know that the first edition is inferior and has errors.... I don't care, so don't waste our time on this thread going over that again...... just need to know leather answer..... thanks!

X-CONDITION TITLIST FOR SALE!!!!!!!

One of the guys in the town where I live now,had Shannon Daulton's copies of both of these books. They were both, green, leather bound versions. I saw them in 98, read a bit and noticed the quality of the books. I'm sure these would be quite a find today!

 

[Eddie Robin]

I know a guy that wants to sell me a Winning One Pocket, FIRST EDITION, that he says is the LEATHER BOUND COVER like the second edition I have. Did Eddie Robin publish this book in leather? The seller says that the book has the stamped signatures of the co-authors inside the cover. Problem is Eddie Robin has not answered me regarding whether he made the first ed. in leather or not. Please let me know..... I have all 3 other Robin books in leather so it would be nice to have a 4th book. YES, I know that the first edition is inferior and has errors.... I don't care, so don't waste our time on this thread going over that again...... just need to know leather answer..... thanks!

X-CONDITION TITLIST FOR SALE!!!!!!!

Hunger Strike; you were right! I'd skipped right over that particular question re whether or not the first edition of W1P had any that were made with the bonded-leather. Well, guess you and all those that were curious as to that point now understand that both editions had some in bonded-leather with co-author signature inside front cover.

 

[Fatboy]

I have both books, they are great. I remember when you were putting them together and then brought the first copies into Cuetopia one night, lots of people were there to name just a few Rex, Fred, Marry, myself and a pile of others were there, I think Ed Kelly was there that night too. Perhaps Vince Tedesco was there come to think about it. I stayed out of the way as I had no business getting in the way of you and your friends. I wasnt part of that group-I was just a rail bird. I cant remember if Toby was there, I dont think he was-but there were a lot of people therefor sure, after everyone was done then I got a look. Good memories-I miss Cuetopia, Rex(he hated me-I think he had me confused with someone else), Knottingham(we used to go do our laundry together just down from the pool room), and many others I dont remember their names.

Moving foward 17 years I bought both books, the corrected ones. They are great.

Someone offered me a set of both books in leather at the Derby a few years back for $7,000. I think, no I know he was just trying to make a score thinking I was a easy mark, maybe I am, but I passed on the $7,000 books, they were mint-never opened.

 

[Eddie Robin]

Jay, I heard you had the hand written copy, is this true?

You think Jay has a handwritten copy? How could that be? W1P was done on a computer. There may have been some notes on paper but I just don't recall any.

As for Jay's comment re $2,000 to help me out; there was never a loan or charity between us. I guess all those who bought large quantities of my books for purpose of reselling them did help me out just as I helped them out by giving them a good deal. Don't recall the exact figure but certain it would be found in my old records. Jay did pay around $2,000 for a large bunch of books. It wasn't a loan or charity, just a business deal; he paid the money in order to get a great deal. Eddie Robin

 

[jay helfert]

You think Jay has a handwritten copy? How could that be? W1P was done on a computer. There may have been some notes on paper but I just don't recall any.

As for Jay's comment re $2,000 to help me out; there was never a loan or charity between us. I guess all those who bought large quantities of my books for purpose of reselling them did help me out just as I helped them out by giving them a good deal. Don't recall the exact figure but certain it would be found in my old records. Jay did pay around $2,000 for a large bunch of books. It wasn't a loan or charity, just a business deal; he paid the money in order to get a great deal. Eddie Robin

Eddie, I never said it was charity or a loan. I stated clearly it was to buy 99 of your books. But if you recall (which you obviously don't) you were in dire straights when you asked me to help you out by buying all those books. Who knew they were going to be so popular. They sure weren't that popular back then. I went out on a limb buying them just to help you out. A little gratitude would be nice, but I guess you think you did me a favor.

P.S. That was a joke about the hand written copy. You know, Ha Ha!